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Post by Doomy on Jan 24, 2005 19:52:49 GMT
Yaaay! I'm helping!  Will attempt some sort of contribution to the Hooks/Layc0ck dilemma but admit that fellow posters on this thread seem to have left no stone unturned. |
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Post by LWhistorian on Jan 24, 2005 20:52:06 GMT
Well I saw the response on the mailing list, so I know the Bawden link is more of a last resort thing but I will dig a little bit more just to confirm that the fax is still the same for her. Hopefully we won't even need it, but if Jane continues to elude us, it is at least an option.
Oh well, I will spend more time looking for Jane land Hooks later.
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Post by Doomy on Jan 24, 2005 22:33:37 GMT
A search at Amazon reveals an illustrator called Richard HOOK who seems to specialise in ancient warfare, which means he would be a likely choice to work on something like the Magnamund Companion. 237 books are credited to him at Amazon.co.uk, including this: www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0394889711/qid=1106606549/sr=1-70/ref=sr_1_0_70/026-5741078-9690001Published in 1987, six months after the Magnamund Companion, this book also credits LW illustrator Brian Williams and is published by Random House, owners of the Red Fox imprint, so we know this guy worked for the right publisher at around the right time. Could we have been chasing a typo? I recommend further investigation. Osprey Books would be a good place to start as Hook worked on books which they published in 2004. |
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Post by LWhistorian on Jan 24, 2005 22:42:03 GMT
Do we know for sure that the Jane we want is British? I found another one from Australia but she is in the medical field, so I am skeptical: www.peacecorps.vu/staff.htmThere is some contact information for the site as a whole here: www.peacecorps.vu/first.htmI would feel odd about mailing them though since they are involved in humanitarian work and we are just looking for an illustrator. It would probably make their day to get some random e-mail that has nothing to do with their mission but this is another Jane Layc0ck, so I just wanted to post it here. The probablility that this is the one we are looking for is quite low but how many Jane Layc0cks can there possibly be? Edit: Another one www.teignbridge.gov.uk/news/news2004/march04winter.htmIt does not have contact information but from the information provided, we could probably find the Dawlish Warren National Nature Reserve and ask her if she is the layc0ck in question. Once again, I am skeptical since we know that Jane has to be nearing age 40 if she illustrated all those books in the 80s, so it is kind of odd that she would be a trainee at this point in her life. It is possible...just not likely. Oh well, time to go searching again. |
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Post by outspaced on Jan 25, 2005 9:57:29 GMT
Hey, Doomy--interesting idea. I found this: www.ospreypublishing.com/author_detail.php?&author=A2214&type=illustratorsAnd this: www.ospreypublishing.com/content1.php/cid=38*sigh* Is this going to be another letter/covering letter job? I must say, looking at the style of the work (assuming Mr Hoo k is the cover artist, it does seem somewhat reminiscent of the artwork that appears in The Magnamund Companion under the name of Richard Hook s, as did the cover artwork for the Ladybird Book we assume was illustrated by him. Perhaps he goes by a pseudonym when illustrating children's books? That missing letter really does make all the difference to finding him  Re: Ms Layc0ck--I'm 99% sure she's from the UK and not in the medical field. Would be a very strange and convoluted path to take (calligrapher, children's book illustrator, radiographer . . . EH??).  |
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Post by Doomy on Jan 25, 2005 16:02:19 GMT
For a Richard Hook and a Richard Hooks to both be working for the same company at the same time in the same job seems to be a fairly massive coincidence. I think a letter should be sent immediately. The similarities are too great to ignore.
And if I'm wrong, what is there to lose?
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Post by Doomy on Jan 25, 2005 17:04:26 GMT
Here's a British Peter Parr who works in a field relating to art and design www.cambridgeanimation.com/education/ai_uk.htmI have no idea whether he has ever been employed as a freelance illustrator however. Also, here's the homepage of a Trevor Newton who offers his services as an artist: www.minutecircle.co.uk/trevornewton.htmbut it doesn't say much about commissions to illustrate books. As I have never even seen Voyage of the Moonstone I wouldn't know if his artistic style bears any resemblance. |
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Post by LWhistorian on Jan 27, 2005 6:05:10 GMT
Have e-mails been sent to any of the assorted Layc0cks? If not, I might just send off a few. I really have my doubts about the sports bra one but I have a feeling that the first one I found is worth a try(I might as well contact the others though just to thin out the list). If nobody has sent the e-mails yet, I shall do so. I saved the e-mail from the contact list with the edited letter so I can just make the appropriate adjustments(so that we don't call Jane a Mr.  ) and try a few of these people. In the meantime, I will go searching again. I know that many of these seem unlikely career moves for Jane but she obviously did something. If she had continued publishing books, I should have seen them listed on Amazon or World Cat or any number of other sites. So, all I can think to do is to start bugging all the Janes that we can in the hopes that we might find her. Finally, I think we need to organize the search. We need to have some record of just where people have looked for her and how they did so. It does us no good if everyone is going to Google and putting in "Jane Layc0ck" and "artist." So, I think we will be more efficient with our time if everyone lists the sites they used as well as the search terms employed. If there were say 30 pages of results and you only checked 18 of them, make a note of that so that someone can go check those last 12 pages if they are so inclined. I know it seems odd but I think it may help save time since I am sure that many of us have been running similar searches. I will start a list here... If we get a few people listing off searches, this may spread over more than a page... In that case, it might be good for one of the mods to just make a master list and copy/paste all the findings into one place.mber(I think but am accustomed to the US format Anyway, I will try to set up a format that makes sense. Search Engine: Yahoo Search Terms:"Jane Layc0ck" artist Search completed In the future, we can probably omit the words search engine and search terms but I just wanted to include them so that there was no doubt about what I am doing. Search Engine: Yahoo Search Terms: "Jane Layc0ck" illustrator Search Completed Search Engine: Yahoo Search Terms: "Jane Layc0ck" designer Search Completed Search Engine: Google Search Terms: "Jane Layc0ck" designer Search Completed Search Engine: Google Search Terms: "Jane Layc0ck" artist Search Completed Search Engine: Google Search Terms: "Jane Layc0ck" illustrator Search Completed One more Jane Layc0ck for the stack: re-xs.ucsm.ac.uk/cupboard/ict/contacts.htmlAnother Jane Layc0ck participates in races but this is probably the sports bra Jane. Besides, there is no contact information but I just wanted to get this out here so that if anyone sees anything that looks like race results, they can probably just skip over it and continue on their way. Search Engine: Yahoo Search Terms: "Jane Layc0ck" UK Search Completed |
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Post by outspaced on Jan 27, 2005 10:14:42 GMT
Currently, the Janes have not been contacted, no. If you do wish to go ahead and contact them, you may do so (thanks!), but I wouldn't send the big, full letter to each of the E-mail addresses, since people may think it's spam. The E-mail you want to write is short and to the point; no sense in getting into the legalese of the Project Aon formal contact letter yet. Something along the lines of: Or something along those lines. I'd wager you probably have ideas on how to make it better. But the point is to make it shorter rather than let all and sundry know about Project Aon's designs. Obviously, if one of these women does turn out to be the Jane we're looking for, the official PA contact letter would need to be edited somewhat at the beginning, but that's no real problem. Another ticklish matter would be the Subject Line. I know I often delete mails unread because of the subject line. (So I'd advise not having as a subject "Buy viagra, cialis"! ;D) For the people I contacted, all were definitely artists, so I used "Contacting you re: older artwork". That's obviously not going to be appropriate, but it'll have to be something that marks it as personal rather than spam. And that's actually gosh-darn difficult these days. :-\ Would "FAO Ms Jane Layc0ck" be appropriate? I'm not sure. Hope this has helped, and I haven't come across as some condescending complete prig.  |
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Post by outspaced on Jan 27, 2005 10:21:43 GMT
Also, here's the homepage of a Trevor Newton who offers his services as an artist: www.minutecircle.co.uk/trevornewton.htmbut it doesn't say much about commissions to illustrate books. As I have never even seen Voyage of the Moonstone I wouldn't know if his artistic style bears any resemblance. Well, I actually turned that site up as well on a preliminary search. So we both must have done something right! The interior illustrations for VotM are very similar in style to Brian Williams', so I couldn't really say whether this website is of the same guy. A lot can change in 10 years after all. But it's worth bearing in mind in case we ever do get the rights. Thanks. |
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Post by LWhistorian on Jan 27, 2005 17:50:47 GMT
Thanks for the suggestions. I will use that shortened letter and I am in the process of sending off a few e-mails. If I get any replies, I will post them so that we can make note of who has already been bothered For that one working as a nature guide of sorts, I did not see any contact information for her specifically on the site but I know she works there. Would it be appropriate to send an e-mail to their site with a subject line saying something to the effect "Please Fwd to Jane Layc0ck?" Edit: I sent off two e-mails(one to the Jane working on that English project and one to the sports bra one). I am wondering if someone in the UK is willing to call the number in the link I posted yesterday. We can probably hold off on that until we know more about the other Janes but it would feel really strange to call someone in the UK from the US asking if she is the Layc0ck I am looking for. Google "Jane Layc0ck" UK Search Completed |
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Post by outspaced on Jan 27, 2005 22:26:15 GMT
Would it be appropriate to send an e-mail to their site with a subject line saying something to the effect "Please Fwd to Jane Layc0ck?" I don't see why not. Go for it!  |
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Post by LWhistorian on Jan 27, 2005 23:19:49 GMT
There, I sent off two more e-mails. I may try to find the e-mail for that Canadian Layc0ck and send one to her too just to increase our chances(however minimally that may be). So, given the different time zones, I may have a reply or two waiting for me when I wake up tomorrow morning. So, if I get any confirmation about any of these Janes not being the one we are searching for, I will post that here so that we can avoid bothering them again in the future. I found yet another one... This Jane Layc0ck is apparently selling pies for $8 but the phone number has no area code with it so does us no good at all. I really don't think this is the one at all...I just thought it would be funny to offer people the chance to buy pie. At the very least, we are putting together the largest collection of Jane Layc0cks the world has ever seen. www.lansingstatejournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041019/NEWS05/410190323/1006/ARCHIVESAnother one works at this school: westoninglower.moonfruit.com/governorsI can't link to it directly but go to information and then select school staff. There is an e-mail for the school as a whole so I am going to send off one right now. Edit: Need to add a couple more searches to the list Lycos "Jane Layc0ck" designer search completed Lycos "Jane Layc0ck" artist search completed Lycos "Jane Layc0ck" illustrator search completed Lycos "Jane Layc0ck" children search completed Lycos "Jane Layc0ck" UK Search completed Another Jane Layc0ck retired from working for the state of Michigan in 2003. Given that the pie-baking Jane also lived in Michigan, there is a high probability that they are one in the same. I really don't think she is the one we want but I just want to put the link here so that nobody else wastes time on it. www.ncsl.org/programs/nlpes/news/news0203.htmGoogle "Jane Layc0ck" children Search completed |
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Post by LWhistorian on Jan 28, 2005 16:26:25 GMT
Well we didn't think it was her anyway but I heard back from the sports bra Jane and she is not the one we are looking for.
So, for future reference, we will know not to disturb her but at least she was nice enough to reply. I am still waiting on the other 4 e-mails I sent.
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Post by LWhistorian on Jan 29, 2005 5:52:17 GMT
I received a second reply. The Australian Jane Layc0ck who was part of the Peace Corps is not the one we wanted either.
So, two down, three to go before the current batch is exhausted(though I still might send one to that other Jane working in the medical field).
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) and try a few of these people.
