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Post by Black Cat on Nov 20, 2004 1:07:55 GMT
You know, I went to the Mongoose Website today and decided to drop them an email. I suggested to them what a GREAT idea it would be to republish the Lone Wolf series. I hope they do! I have this idea that Mongoose might be the best new hope for seeing Lone Wolf paperbacks once again! I mean, they already do games. They already are doing Lone Wolf. Why not gamebooks? Hum...If a lot of us send an email to them, maybe they'll see that there's a demand for this kind of books and maybe they'll decide to republish the series? It worths a try...
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Post by outspaced on Nov 20, 2004 9:22:58 GMT
All I can say is that it would be a massive undertaking, and therefore a massive risk.
More likely, I would think, is that they would reprint just the New Order series (and maybe the missing four books if there is enough demand), but reprinting 28 books +4 new ones would be an immense moneypit, and I think Mongoose might be too small a company to want to risk so much money in such a venture, especially since they're supposedly releasing free versions of the books converted to d20 via their website.
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Post by Zipp on Nov 20, 2004 22:45:34 GMT
About Moongoose, a few folks, myself included, at the LWERPG had a talk with them about this a while back, and they said that they had no intention of releasing the gamebooks, but were thinking about possibly publishing new material beyond the RPG.
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Post by Sol on Nov 21, 2004 5:13:43 GMT
I read the Mongoose Flight from the Dark. I felt a little funny about it. In a way it was cool to see it republished. In a way it seemed WRONG to see a Kraan with Armor Class.
I guess it seems cool to have it in RPG format... but if it is at the expense of future gamebook republishings, well, I almost rather that they'd just publish NEW material instead.
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Post by columbob on Nov 22, 2004 12:42:26 GMT
I guess it seems cool to have it in RPG format... but if it is at the expense of future gamebook republishings, well, I almost rather that they'd just publish NEW material instead. But that takes an author.
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Post by wolfgang on Sept 19, 2005 8:05:44 GMT
Skipping ahead to the final of the series of Lone Wolf's disciple, I'd be hanging out for a return to the plane of darkness to face off with Naar again. Wolfs Bane and The Curse of Naar were two of my favourites in the series. Maybe Lone Wolf would come too. I dunno, maybe GrandMaster and Lone Wolf could be comrades like Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker. The art of Kai is comparable to the Jedi stuff I suppose. Anyhow suppose 32 was to be the finale where peace came to Magnamund finally and Naar destroyed. I'd want Lone Wolf to be a part of that battle, so maybe GrandMaster and Lone Wolf could fight together in the Plane of Darkness. It does seem too simple and I'd want to think of some twists to occur. I wonder...Darkside of the Force? The possibility of one of the Kai Lords turning on the other? I don't know, I don't remember many of the books having chracters who were kind of on the edge of good and evil. There was Vonotar the traitor.
Anyhow I guess with bringing and end to the series it kind of shuts the door on other ideas for Lone Wolf stories that might come up. Another idea is a big battle with Naar in which Naar survives (possibly with Lone Wolf dying and that becoming a legend, maybe GrandMaster becomes the new Lone Wolf) and its kind of revealed just how crafty and difficult he is to beat in battle. It would be a greater encounter with Naar than any other times, and I think it might kind of give new life, new scope, knowing that it will take a long time to learn how to beat Naar.
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Post by Black Cat on Sept 19, 2005 21:30:52 GMT
I think that the RPG names other Evil Gods. Naar is just one of them, but he is the most known. So even if the GM kills him, peace might not be back on Magnamund with the other Evil Gods trying to accomplish what Naar wasn't able to do. This leaves the door open for other sereies about Magnamund where there would still be Evil to defeat.
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Post by outspaced on Sept 19, 2005 22:05:30 GMT
Naar is the "King of the Darkness". He is the God of Evil; other evil gods merely do his bidding, which is why the Cener Druids do Naar's work, but do not worship him. Ditto for the Drakkarim. Get rid of Naar, and the Battle is mostly won. After all, he sits in opposition to Kai and Ishir, both of whom are undoubtedly more powerful than the lesser gods of evil.
It could also be argued that the destruction of Naar would once-and-for-all tip the balance in favour of Good to the point that it could not ever swing back; the 'bet' with Ishir would be complete, with the Moon Goddess having won.
I much prefer to imagine a definite ending to the series rather than an eternal, ongoing tale with no conclusion. I would imagine that Dever has some form of conclusion in his mind, since he wrote about the entire Universe of Aon being either wholly Good or Evil . . . except for the planet of Magnamund, where the final battles would decide for all time whether Good or Evil triumphs universally.
Rather than Lone Wolf dying, why not his Ascension to divinity as a servant of Kai?
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Post by Black Cat on Sept 19, 2005 23:04:52 GMT
Naar is the "King of the Darkness". He is the God of Evil; other evil gods merely do his bidding, which is why the Cener Druids do Naar's work, but do not worship him. After Vashna's death, Zagarna became the leader of the other Darklords, although he wasn't as much powerful than him. We could have a similar scenario with the death of Naar, don't you think?
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Post by Dusk Fox on Sept 20, 2005 1:49:56 GMT
Naar is the "King of the Darkness". He is the God of Evil; other evil gods merely do his bidding, which is why the Cener Druids do Naar's work, but do not worship him. After Vashna's death, Zagarna became the leader of the other Darklords, although he wasn't as much powerful than him. We could have a similar scenario with the death of Naar, don't you think? It's entirely possible, but I think the real question is whether or not you can destroy Naar at all. Naar is the embodiment of evil in Aon; even Good does not have such a solid backing, as it takes both Kai and Ishir to balance Naar. Who's to say that the destruction of Naar isn't simply the erasure of a figurehead, whose boots could just as easily be filled by one of his subordinates, as it is the title that matters and not the appointee? Of course, I've always been very big on the idea that the work of the Kai is never done, since there are so many evil monstrosities on Magnamund yet to be dealt with. I mean, why has no one ever gone after the Shog'aash? We're talking millennia of evil here! It must be stopped! Why should Lone Wolf's genocidal rampage end with the Darklords? When is it going to be time to turn on ancient evils instead of those damned Johnny-come-lately Darklords and such?
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Post by wolfgang on Sept 20, 2005 4:03:35 GMT
Naar has always been quite distant from the Lone Wolf books. I remember when you saw the picture of Naar in Book 19, Wolfs Bane and it was like FINALLY. I guess it was fitting that he was so grotesque looking. Reminds me of Xakhaz the final foe in Beneath Nightmare Castle, from Steve Jackson and Ian Livingstone's Fighting Fantasy series.
One think I think might be good, is if Naar was to slowly work his way into the story more, that is into Magnamund more I suppose, if its possible. This reminds me a bit of the T.V series of Conan the Adventurer, where the 'binding, master of evil' or whatever you want to call him, Sett, the giant snake, was stuck in another world for most of the story(The Abyss), but towards the end, found a way to come to earth to fight against Conan and his friends.
Maybe from that Naar's character could come to life a bit more. Maybe the final battle if there is one could be fought on Magnumund instead of Plain of Darkness. In the Curse of Naar, I think, it says Naar hides away when you are fighting that big armoured fighter in Naar's castle (I forget his name), because Naar is afraid the Sommerswerd could destroy him. Maybe one of Naar's plan is successful enough to weaken Magnamund such that he comes there in some form to try and destroy the Kai or something. I guess this story could be spaced over books 29-32, in which Naar becomes a much bigger character. Maybe you'll even hear him talk! I don't think I've heard him talk before, except maybe in the Legend of Lone Wolf books. I don't remember, I guess its likely that he did talk in those books, but really I think those books overcomplicated the whole Lone Wolf story. Buggered if I'd want to try and comform to all that was revealed in those books about the logic of the battle between good and evil and all that stuff. The books were just too abstract for me.
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Post by Wolfus on Sept 20, 2005 8:33:26 GMT
Aren't the gods immortal...? Why should somebody who creates universe (even not alone) be afraid of human (even most powerful of them) I think Naar absolutely cannot be destroyed in face-to-face combat. If he can be, Kai could do it long time ago Lone Wolf was born And what about ballance? So Lone Wolf's ultimate enemy cannot be Naar. Or maybe can, but he will win. And that's what we don't want, want we? I am for Vashna's return. In many adventures Lone wolf encountered Acolytes of Vashna and his ressurection was main theme of two books. One Kai, one Grandmaster, so why not one New Order? It can close Vashna's Trilogy and whole series as well...
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Post by nigthhunter on Sept 20, 2005 11:21:24 GMT
I love your idea for Vashna's return, Wolfus.
About Naar, is the Sommerswerd is powerful enough to kill the King of Darkness? Good question.
SPOILERS WARNING!!!
In the end of book 19 and 20, I'm asking myself something rigth now. Is Naar fear the Sommerswerd or cannot handle the good aura that it make? It's been a while that I have read these books, so my memory could be wrong, but I'm sure he don't materialize because of the aura of the sword.
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Post by Al on Sept 20, 2005 12:59:26 GMT
If Naar could be killed by LW, but had not been killed by the combined might of Kai and Ishir, would that not mean that LW was more powerful than both Kai and Ishir combined? that would be the logical conclusion to this line of reasoning. I think that the idea of a mortal killing a diety is silly, a mortal can thwart a diety, that is for sure, but to kill one? only an avatar of one, but not the diety itself Just my two cents worth, Al
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Post by Wolfus on Sept 20, 2005 15:52:37 GMT
I agree. Also I doubt Naar fears Sommerswerd aura. Maybe he feels uncomfortable, but fear is too strong word. I see it sth. like: Naar was disgusted from LW's intruding and had much work, so he sent one of his unlimited number of minions
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