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Post by Wolfus on Sept 20, 2005 15:56:46 GMT
And about Naar's physical manifestation... my opinion is, he can take any form he wants, so he can have CS 500 if he please... This answers also question about his appearance.
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Post by outspaced on Sept 20, 2005 18:02:42 GMT
I think that the idea of a mortal killing a diety is silly, a mortal can thwart a diety, that is for sure, but to kill one? only an avatar of one, but not the diety itself Thus my comment about Lone Wolf's potential Ascension. Though I think it could be a rather amusing irony that a mortal could do what the Divine could not--defeat the personification of Evil in hand-to-hand combat.
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Post by Black Cat on Sept 20, 2005 21:41:03 GMT
I am for Vashna's return. In many adventures Lone wolf encountered Acolytes of Vashna and his ressurection was main theme of two books. One Kai, one Grandmaster, so why not one New Order? It can close Vashna's Trilogy and whole series as well... I prefer my own theory (that I largely explained earlier in this thread) that it will be the revival of Agarash in the last book. There's too much hints leading to that conclusion scattered through the NO series. Why coming from nowhere with a third attempt to resurrect Vashna? wolfgang: You can have a little conversation with Naar in (SPOILER) book 19.
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Post by Al on Sept 21, 2005 8:47:41 GMT
I think that the idea of a mortal killing a diety is silly, a mortal can thwart a diety, that is for sure, but to kill one? only an avatar of one, but not the diety itself Thus my comment about Lone Wolf's potential Ascension. Though I think it could be a rather amusing irony that a mortal could do what the Divine could not--defeat the personification of Evil in hand-to-hand combat. I understand where you are going with this, but to kill Naar would require someone/thing to take his place, as it would upset the balance... I think that the point of it is that it is the representatives of the gods, and not the gods themselves, that actually do the fighting for the fate of Magnamund. LW may Ascend to immortality, but he would never be able to become god-like... that is just too much. By the way, a good indication as to what would happen to LW may be to look back in the past, what ever happened to Sun Eagle? LW is following the trails that he created after all. Al
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Post by outspaced on Sept 21, 2005 10:39:28 GMT
I understand where you are going with this, but to kill Naar would require someone/thing to take his place, as it would upset the balance... No it wouldn't. Aon is "the Great Balance", and was the result of the bet between Naar and Ishir. Once the bet is complete, the loser will cease to exist. One side will have won. The point I keep trying to make is that unlike a lot of fantasy hack writers, Joe actually has an ending planned. Whether that would ever make it into the gamebooks themselves is debatable, but nevertheless things in Aon are not designed to go on forever with a constant harrying between Good and Evil. One side will win. I very much like Dever's design of that, since I find the whole notion of a "balance" between Good and Evil being "necessary" to be counter-intuitive. Let's see, would I like to live in a world without murder, rape, child abuse, war, attempted genocide, etc.? Yes. Yes I would. And you know what? I wouldn't miss any of them. Therefore, I don't personally see that a "balance" is really necessary.
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Post by Al on Sept 21, 2005 13:09:39 GMT
That is true, now that you mention it I do recall reading that Magnamund was one of the few worlds left where good or evil had not won, where the battle was still going on. In saying that, though, what kind of timeframe are we talking about? Gods and mortals work with different conceptions of short and long time frames, so even if something special is planned for LW, that does not mean that it would entail the victory of good or evil. Al
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Post by outspaced on Sept 22, 2005 8:51:43 GMT
Yeah, true enough. As I said, Dever might not ever incorporate that into a gamebook. 350 sections to save the entire Universe might be a bit of a stretch even for him. ;D
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Post by Al on Sept 22, 2005 9:43:15 GMT
Well, they could be very loooonnnngggg sections! Al
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Post by Dusk Fox on Sept 22, 2005 15:03:59 GMT
Yeah, true enough. As I said, Dever might not ever incorporate that into a gamebook. 350 sections to save the entire Universe might be a bit of a stretch even for him. ;D After the destruction of Naar, Lone Wolf discovers that Ishir is not so benevolent after all, for now that she has won the great contest against Evil she has decided that the end of the game means the end of all Aon! Lone Wolf must battle against his own patrons and face Kai in physical combat to save Aon from being put back in the beat-up cardboard box marked "Balance: the Board Game of Good Versus Evil."
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Post by outspaced on Sept 22, 2005 20:15:45 GMT
Or maybe Lone Wolf ends up married to her . . . A fate worse than death, trying to please the Moon Goddess who just won everything.
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Post by Dusk Fox on Sept 22, 2005 20:52:02 GMT
Or maybe Lone Wolf ends up married to her . . . A fate worse than death, trying to please the Moon Goddess who just won everything. And you just know she's moody all the time, with the effect the moon has on women's cycles.
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Post by Al on Sept 23, 2005 8:36:35 GMT
I am glad to see that political correctness has no place here!! Al
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Post by wolfgang on Sept 26, 2005 10:25:10 GMT
So Lone Wolf follows Sun Eagle still. Did Sun Eagle become a Supreme Master like 'Wolf? This ranking stuff seems a bit like Buddhism with the ranks of elightenment and that sort of thing.
I'd like a link up with Sun Eagle. Sun Eagle presumably has been watching Lone Wolf along with Kai and Ishir. To my knowledge theres not been written any conversation between 'Wolf and Kai and Ishir even. Except maybe in Legend of Lone Wolf. What would Sun Eagle be thinking now having watched his Kai art, progress so far? A story where Sun Eagle, somehow contacts Lone Wolf and gives some insight into the road that the Kai art has travelled and maybe a look at the his predictions for the future. It seems good.
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Post by outspaced on Sept 26, 2005 14:00:01 GMT
Kai speaks directly to Lone Wolf in The Prisoners of Time Section 100.
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Post by Thomas Wolmer on Sept 26, 2005 18:28:33 GMT
So Lone Wolf follows Sun Eagle still. Did Sun Eagle become a Supreme Master like 'Wolf? This quote is from the Grand Master books: So, no, Sun Eagle stopped at the rank of Kai Grand Master.
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