Seventh Sense Awards (FAQs, Ideas, Bugs, & Help)

[kamikaze1900666]

Sept 1, 2010 7:07:51 GMT Honza said:

for Kamikaze:
maybe (very minor) typo: book 2 "fresh start" award, in its description there is written "You earned this distinction among the Darklanders for your..."
Shouldn't there be rather "Lastlanders"?

You know, I did mean Darklanders, I just forgot to add the bit about striking fear into their hearts I had in mind that would've made it make more sense.

Thanks for pointing that out.

[Dave]

PM'ed you about a bug in the Helghast award.

[kamikaze1900666]

Thanks for pointing that one out. Increased the difficulty level to compensate for the find.

[Dave]

Fixed for the 1.6.6 release (available now!)

[executioneer]

edit: argh retracted, I found it

[Dave]

You can kill 5 helghasts. I just did it last night. Be sure to view all of the hints - this is now an expert award, so it may take a while to figure out the best path.

Edit : the bug was in the fact that I killed 4 helghasts and didn't get the award. It was then I realized there was a fifth(which was unaccounted for). Now it's accounted for and one must kill all 5 to get the award.

[Dave]

New idea for an award: title should be something to do with Ultimate Pacificist or something. You complete the Kai series (1-5) with only minimal combats in each book.

[kamikaze1900666]

Kai series would be easy enough, but for the two latter ones a question arises: what's the best method to handle handle such an award for each series?

For instance, if a player was forced to start a new campaign on the Magnakai series (starting at Book 6), the minimum number of combats would change (Dagger of Vashna evades one, the Sommerswerd evades another, just off the top of my head). So, it opens up a few options:

• Count all combats starting from book 1 and make the cumulative total what's needed for each award.
  
• Count the combats for each series individually, requiring each series to be played independent of the one(s) before it with a "fresh-start".
  
• Count the combats for each series individually, but requiring the player to start from book 1 to collect needed goodies. This would set the series combat count variable to zero once a new series was started.

I could start working on options one and two, since both push for different solutions to the challenges.

On a side note, I did think of an Expert difficulty one thats combat related for 1-20: "Iron-Fisted Monk"- Fight 75% of all combats unarmed. The question with that one is should having a shield equipped count as being armed?

Realistically, it would since it's something other than your fists you can use, but technically it wouldn't since the -4 CS is still incurred until higher levels of Weaponmastery. There's no real debate of realism vs technicality regarding other CS boosting armor since it's worn and not held in your hand- so wearing them would still count as being unarmed.

[Dave]

Another option would be to simply have the condition for the larger-scale award be to earn all of the previous low comabt count awards. One of the hints could mention that 'you don't have to do them all in one run', and another could mention that 'you actually can't do them all in one run...'

I'm digging the Iron fisted monk award. Since the shield is not actually a weapon (and could be thought of as worn on the arm - even though it's not treated as such in Prodigy mode), it seems like you really could allow a Shield. Considering that most of the time, have a weapon means three types of bonuses (Weaponskill/mastery, NO unarmed penalty, and often a bonus from the weapon itself), This would still mean a triple penalty for going unarmed, even *with* a shield.

[uvirith]

Hi again!

First of all, thanks for the newest release, the standalone-option is just awesome!

But I seem to have a problem with the awardsystem. I simply dont get the awards.

For example, I finished book 1 evading not a single fight. I finished book1 hiding from every fight and I finished book 1 performing the "leap of faith" >>>>>><which is the jump from one roof to another I guess.<<<<<SPOILER

I also finished book 2 without getting robbed and jumping to the two ships (killing zombiecrew and captain.). I tried not to use a psitrick at any game (which is impossible because the options are greyed out if you have the corresponding ability).

Am I doing something wrong?
I play Prodigy, I only changed the ridiculosly high 19/29rating with the available buttons at the character generation.
Is this the problem?

Thanks in advance.
Uvi

[Dave]

You're right on the "leap of faith", uvi - but there are several other things that you must do to earn that particular award.

When you say "evading not a single fight", I assume you mean you took care trouble(combat) as it came to you. However, in order to earn that award - you're going to have to go looking for trouble!

And, just so you know, if you are trying to avoid combat to earn the no-combat award, you've got to avoid even the single round of evading a combat where you deal no damage to the enemy. (If it ends up on your Battle Record - it counts as a combat!). So, the trick there is to find the right combination of path choices and skills (and luck) to help you get that combat count as low as possible.

So, keep trying! It's immensely satisfying once you earn them.

(reducing your initial stats from 19/29 does not impact the earning of awards.)

[kamikaze1900666]

Also, both in the Seventh Sense playing aid program and in the first post in this thread are instructions on how to get more hints for the awards. Sometimes it tells you specifically what must be done, other times it gives out hints on other actions that should be taken, which disciplines help (or hinder) the most, and more. I hope that helps Uvi

[uvirith]

Thanks for the infos!

Tried book1 again, going on a bloodsplattering killing spree, worked, got the award

@kamikaze
I´m aware of the hints. But I don´t want to play all books with by-the-book and hardcore before actually playing the ruleset I want to ;-)
I strongly recommend changing the prereqs for the hints to something which can be achieved while actually hunting for achievements (for instance change "bythebook-run" to "prodigy-run")

[uvirith]

Hi, me again

I really need another hint on this "leap of faith"-thing. I so have no clue how this works.

Thanks in advance,
Uvi

[Ofecks]

Sept 8, 2010 7:34:18 GMT uvirith said:

But I don´t want to play all books with by-the-book and hardcore before actually playing the ruleset I want to ;-)

I disagree. In fact, I think all the rulesets should be locked until you complete it with the previous. BTB -> Hardcore -> Prodigy -> Custom. This would give the software a feeling of progression, just like the books.

The hint system is already kinda set up like that. I made it a point to beat the Kai series on both BTB and HC so I could have access to all the hints.