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Post by Lucy Van Pelt on Sept 16, 2022 6:32:30 GMT
I remember there were some readers (about 4 to 5 of them) who argued fervently that the Chaos Master (CS47 EP68) can be killed rather easily. I am referring to the original Statistics, not the politically correct statistics available on Project Aon. Of course, these people who made such comments had not examined the mathematics and statistics of the battle.
At book 6, my first three disciplines were Huntmastery, Weaponmastery and Psi-screen. I completed the Circle of Fire that allowed me to add 1CS and 2EP.
At book 7, I chose Nexus because there were some many instances of temperature change coupled with the need to pick up the spear at the start of the dungeon maze.
At book 8, I chose Divination in hope to complete the Circle of the Spirit on the next book just in time to face Zakhan Kimah on book 9.
At book 9, I purposely chose Psi-surge just to complete the Circle of Spirit (adding 3CS and 3EP).
My base CS is 19 (cheat, of course!). My bonuses are: - Weaponmastery with Sword (+3CS)
- Psi-surge and mindblast no bonus since he is immune
- Shield +2CS
- Silver Helmet +2CS
- Sommerswerd +8CS
- Lore Circle completion +1CS +3CS
- Potion of Alether +2CS
My CS is 40. The combat difference (not ratio!) is -4.
My base EP is 29 (another cheat, of course). My bonuses are: - Chainmail Waistcoat +4EP
- Padded Leather coat +2EP
- Lore Circle completion +2EP +3EP
My EP is 40. But after deducting 5EP, LW is only left with EP of 35 at most.
Fight Kimah whose CS = 40 and EP = 50.
LW with EP of 35 vs. Kimah with EP of 50 at a combat difference of -4. Looking at the combat difference column of -4, the average EP loss for Lone Wolf is (0 + 0 + 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 4 + 5 + 5 + 6)/10 = 30/10 = 3, whereas the average EP for Kimah is (1 + 2 + ... + 10)/10 = 55/10 = 5.5. The expected EP loss to be sustained by Lone Wolf is 3/5.5 = 54.5% of Kimah's. Yet, Lone Wolf's highest possible EP is 35/50 = 70% of Kimah's EP, way above the 54.5% threshold. It is possible for LW to pick up the victory!
At book 10, I chose Curing. At book 11, I chose Animal Control. Hence, it allows LW to complete the Circle of Light (+3EP).
When I am facing the Chaos Master in book 11, my CS is 43 (due to the 2 additional points from completing the Circle of Spirit and the additional point from the upgraded Weaponmastery that allows LW to add 4 points instead of the usual 3 points). I refuse to use Psi-surge which allows LW to gain 4CS at the expense of losing 2EP per round. LW has an EP of 43 (due to the 3EP from completing the Circle of Light).
Fight Chaos master whose CS = 47 and EP= 68.
LW with EP of 43 vs. Chaos Master with EP of 68. Again the combat difference is -4. Had I gone for Pathsmanship and Invisbility, I would have gained 1 CS; inevitably, I would look at the same column with combat difference of -3. The expected EP loss to be sustained by LW is 3 point whilst Chaos Master is 5.5 points. On the average, LW would lose 3/5.5 = 54.5% of whatever EP Chaos Master would lose on each round. LW's EP of 43 is only (43/68) = 63.2% of Chaos Master EP. It is still above the threshold of 54.5% but by a much smaller margin this time!
Consider what would transpire had LW used Psi-surge in the combat. LW's CS would have been 47 instead of 43. LW will be just as powerful as the Chaos Master when both of them have CS of 47. The combat difference is 0. The expected EP loss by LW is (0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 2 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 4 + 5)/10 = 2.1. But there is a penalty of 2EP on each round. The average EP loss is therefore 4.1. The expected EP loss by Chaos Master is (3 + 4 + 5 + ... + 12)/10 = 7.5. On the average, LW would lose (4.1/7.5) = 54.7% of whatever EP Chaos Master would lose each round. This percentage is slightly higher than 54.5%, reinforcing the redundancy of using Psi-surge in combats.
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Post by Black Cat on Sept 16, 2022 16:34:59 GMT
I did made the math for the Chaosmaster: projectaon.proboards.com/post/869/threadIf I had picked a 9 instead of a 8 for my CS score and if I had kept a Shield (+2CS), I would had had a combat ratio of +1 . EDIT: Ah yes, re-reading the old thread, you can replace the regular +2CS Alether potion with the +4CS Alether Concentrate from Ikaya that you keep in Safekeeping for book 7. So you can get a +3 for your combat ratio. |
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Post by Lucy Van Pelt on Sept 16, 2022 18:02:53 GMT
I did made the math for the Chaosmaster: projectaon.proboards.com/post/869/threadIf I had picked a 9 instead of a 8 for my CS score and if I had kept a Shield (+2CS), I would had had a combat ratio of +1 . EDIT: Ah yes, re-reading the old thread, you can replace the regular +2CS Alether potion with the +4CS Alether Concentrate from Ikaya that you keep in Safekeeping for book 7. So you can get a +3 for your combat ratio. 2004? Well... i was still in the army. Lucy has had yet to be my secretary. 😅😅 |
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Post by Black Cat on Sept 17, 2022 1:40:04 GMT
2004? Well... i was still in the army. Lucy has yet to be my secretary. 😅😅 Yeah, I've been around for that long!  |
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Post by Black Cat on Sept 17, 2022 14:47:52 GMT
For Kimah, someone else made the math: linkYes, it's 2005! |
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Post by Lucy Van Pelt on Sept 18, 2022 5:15:36 GMT
For Kimah, someone else made the math: linkYes, it's 2005! But LW starts the combat with Kimah with a max EP of 35, not 40. He cheated!  |
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Post by Lucy Van Pelt on Sept 18, 2022 5:32:39 GMT
2004? Well... i was still in the army. Lucy has yet to be my secretary. 😅😅 Yeah, I've been around for that long!
You seem to be a fervent fan of Lone Wolf. Do you have all the CE books from 1 to 22?
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Post by Black Cat on Sept 18, 2022 15:29:46 GMT
Only missing 28* and 32.
*It has been pre-ordered.
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Post by Black Cat on Sept 18, 2022 15:39:23 GMT
But LW starts the combat with Kimah with a max EP of 35, not 40. He cheated! There are two +6EP potions available in book 8 (and other +5 or +6EP in other books before book 7 that you can put in safekeeping to avoid losing with your backpack). So it is possible to start the fight with an EP score of 40 without cheating. |
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Post by Lucy Van Pelt on Sept 18, 2022 16:37:49 GMT
Only missing 28* and 32. *It has been pre-ordered. How many sets of Collectors edition do you collect? Four? |
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Post by Lucy Van Pelt on Sept 18, 2022 16:39:31 GMT
But LW starts the combat with Kimah with a max EP of 35, not 40. He cheated! There are two +6EP potions available in book 8 (and other +5 or +6EP in other books before book 7 that you can put in safekeeping to avoid losing with your backpack). So it is possible to start the fight with an EP score of 40 without cheating. Could LW swallow Alether potion and Rendalim Elixir at the same time just before combat? I will have diarrhea... |
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Post by Black Cat on Sept 18, 2022 21:04:51 GMT
How many sets of Collectors edition do you collect? Four? Just one. I'm a fan first and foremost, not someone that loves a series but makes cash out of it (nothing wrong with that but that's just not me).  |
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Post by Lucy Van Pelt on Sept 19, 2022 5:57:51 GMT
How many sets of Collectors edition do you collect? Four? Just one. I'm a fan first and foremost, not someone that loves a series but makes cash out of it (nothing wrong with that but that's just not me). If you have multiple sets, you can always trade with someone or sell a complete set CE1-22 for £3700 + £500 for postage. There are many fans in the USA and Europe who yearn to have CE14-17 and CE20-22. They are prepared to pay over £2800 + £210 for postage for these 7 books. Most fans are only able to get hold of CE1-13, CE18, CE19, CE23 to 27, which have a combined value of less than £1000. |
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Post by Black Cat on Sept 19, 2022 14:37:59 GMT
Just one. I'm a fan first and foremost, not someone that loves a series but makes cash out of it (nothing wrong with that but that's just not me). If you have multiple sets, you can always trade with someone or sell a complete set CE1-22 for £3700 + £500 for postage. There are many fans in the USA and Europe who yearn to have CE14-17 and CE20-22. They are prepared to pay over £2800 + £210 for postage for these 7 books. Most fans are only able to get hold of CE1-13, CE18, CE19, CE23 to 27, which have a combined value of less than £1000. Mongoose sent me a replacement copy for book 8 because it was missing two sections in the bonus adventure. I sold that defective book (with an extra sheet containing the missing two sections) $20 and it costs me the same amount for the postage. Like I said, I'm not there for the money, I'm just happy to spread the word about Lone Wolf.  |
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Post by Lucy Van Pelt on Sept 19, 2022 15:51:30 GMT
If you have multiple sets, you can always trade with someone or sell a complete set CE1-22 for £3700 + £500 for postage. There are many fans in the USA and Europe who yearn to have CE14-17 and CE20-22. They are prepared to pay over £2800 + £210 for postage for these 7 books. Most fans are only able to get hold of CE1-13, CE18, CE19, CE23 to 27, which have a combined value of less than £1000. Mongoose sent me a replacement copy for book 8 because it was missing two sections in the bonus adventure. I sold that defective book (with an extra sheet containing the missing two sections) $20 and it costs me the same amount for the postage. Like I said, I'm not there for the money, I'm just happy to spread the word about Lone Wolf. I wanted CE14-17 very much. In 2020, there was a seller for CE14 CE15 C16 who was willing to ship to Singapore for a postage cost of £100. I was ok with the postage cost. I bid £1220. I lost. It went for over £1500. Since then, no chance of getting CE14 15 16! I only have CE1-12, 23-27, the common ones. |
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