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Post by kolinovic on Nov 4, 2011 9:13:40 GMT
I think we can all agree that the drunkard in Book 16 with the CS of 38 or so will probably win this argument, but I always had a bit of an issue with the amount of agents with snake tattoos that Vonotar got into place in Ragadorn and Port Bax. That death in the prison cell was particularly harsh.
For any of that to make real sense, I would have thought Vonotar would have had to betray the Brotherhood of the Crystal Star a lot longer before a few weeks ahead of Fehmarn.
Any other "haaang on a sec" moments that bug you guys?
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Post by Zipp on Nov 4, 2011 20:11:59 GMT
Well, either Vonotar's betrayal was planned for much longer, or (and this is how I saw it) the Snake Brotherhood was not related to him directly but was an established guild of assassins that he got in touch with after his betrayal.
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Post by Valanthe on Nov 5, 2011 2:14:20 GMT
It may be my lame understanding of the event, but the whole initial invasion kinda threw me. Wouldn't the darklords know about the feast of Fehmarn before Vonotar's betrayal? I mean they have been fighting the Kai for ages. . . also having all your people in one place and being so vulnerable, but it made a good starting point.
I also understand I've sorta seen all the books through a filter, so if someone wants to explain this to me I'd be happy for it ^_^
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Post by primefalcon on Nov 5, 2011 6:35:26 GMT
The feast of fehmarn would be pretty common knowledge in sommerlund... so for this to be believable, the dl's would have to not have any human agents or helghast/drakkar spies
but thats all beside the point.... the dl's have human agents as well as spies and well.... never knew about this..... incompetent agents and spies perhaps?
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Post by beowuuf on Nov 5, 2011 7:03:40 GMT
Human agents are only reporting what is 'important' to the darklords, and I presume as cunning as they are, they still have an alien perspective on everything. They rule by fear and greed, and would never have thought of or appreciated that their foes would willingly come together and be vulnerable with no reason - tradition and fealty not being something they would consider.
You could see Vonotar as not only having that knowledge, but by not being just an agent, would have had the intellect to appreciate what it meant and force the darklords to understand their opportunity.
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Post by sweetpeas on Nov 6, 2011 17:27:11 GMT
haaaang on a second, the judge in CoF votes by the dice!?
haaaang on a second, i didn't agree to let the obvious culprit provide the rope to get me into the cauldron!
lw: "haaaang on a second, these guys shouldn't be on the isle of death. neither should i, mind you. better go enter that tower my kai senses warned me about.. no time for my quest to save the world"
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Post by kolinovic on Nov 7, 2011 9:23:11 GMT
Human agents are only reporting what is 'important' to the darklords, and I presume as cunning as they are, they still have an alien perspective on everything. They rule by fear and greed, and would never have thought of or appreciated that their foes would willingly come together and be vulnerable with no reason - tradition and fealty not being something they would consider. You could see Vonotar as not only having that knowledge, but by not being just an agent, would have had the intellect to appreciate what it meant and force the darklords to understand their opportunity. That's always been my understanding of Vonotar's treachery - and the reason why he had to act quickly after leaving Sommerlund. I quite like the "guild of assassins" theory for those snake-tattooed geezers though. Quite like that Cauldron of Fear one though
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Post by Snowshadow on Nov 7, 2011 11:23:30 GMT
I think we can all agree that the drunkard in Book 16 with the CS of 38 Bor Brew packs quite a punch! Yes of course there are a few, some of the logic behind the riddles - same as the number of islands or whatever - are a bit pushing it but I've loved LW since the mid-eighties and I'm quite happy to allow Joe some artistic licence. Definately the whole Ryhgar/Spear/Noodnics bit in FotW bugs me (although Project Aon has pretty much fixed this). I always wondered why it made such a difference - did LW have to spend an hour showing Rhygar how to hold a Spear or something and that time difference was why the Noodnic option appeared. Probably the Sommerswerd generates the most "haaaang on a second"s - the argument as to whether you are indeed better off without has run for ages - like Grand Master Lone Wolf having completed no Kai or Magnakai adventures can start with a higher CS than LW with Sommerswerd having completed books1-12. Not only that but of course the 'boss' fights that penalize you for having the Sword of the Sun, though luckily Mongoose have reduced both Kimah and Chaos Master stats and have said that in Bk17 whilst Ixiataaga remains unchanged (but WILL be confirmed as Undead for double damage bonus), the fights leading up to the Deathlord will have reduced CS/EP. The Psychic Combat in Book 11 with Shadow Reavers so soon after Chaos Master is a bit of a killer - far better to unsheathe Sommerswerd, take advantage of that Double Damage. (Again Mongoose have amended the fight - the Silver Helm(et) +2CS bonus applies in Psychic Combat (I assume you could claim it in Bk8 too then against that pool monster).
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Post by Honza on Nov 10, 2011 9:57:23 GMT
Well, what about: Haang on a sec, did Lone Wolf really destroy the Cener plague virus? book 13 section 103: "...Three druids, having recognized your intentions, are trying desperately to gather together virus samples from their cultivation vats. The vats are fixed to the tables, triple-sealed with protective glass to prevent accidental leaks, and it is precisely this elaborate protection which now confounds the druids’ frantic efforts to save their plague cultures..."later, in section 220: "...A tidal wave of acid engulfs the tables, submerging and burning everything not made of stone, porcelain, or glass..."So it seems the acid vat destroyed everything except the virus... ...or perhaps this is intentional, left for book 32 plot
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Post by Snowshadow on Nov 10, 2011 14:07:07 GMT
Haang on a sec, did Lone Wolf really destroy the Cener plague virus? Good one - had forgotten that. How about if the Herbwardens of Bautar are sooo good at reclaiming wasteland why don't they start with the relatively safer Wildlands before they fix the Darklands?
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Post by primefalcon on Nov 11, 2011 14:05:08 GMT
re: the virus
well perhaps the tables they are on get burned away and the glass smashes when it hits the floor..... then destroyed by the acid.... and LoneWolf with his amazing sixth sense knew this would happen....
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Post by ramthelinefeed on Nov 13, 2011 11:42:22 GMT
How about if the Herbwardens of Bautar are sooo good at reclaiming wasteland why don't they start with the relatively safer Wildlands before they fix the Darklands? Well you know what these public sector projects are like - they could only secure funding if they put in a bid for the more prestigious 'Reclaim the Darklands' project
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Post by primefalcon on Nov 15, 2011 15:35:49 GMT
well the wildlands are also just desert type of thing, the darklands were previously lush until the darklords turned then into an acid and corrupted wasteland....
wildlands would just be... gardening, reclaiming the darklands is taking it back away from evil
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Post by Wild Horse on Nov 29, 2011 4:45:09 GMT
Another was the section in Book 18 "Dawn of the Dragons" where Prince Lutha tries to destroy Lone Wolf with the his sorcerous ring. Lone Wolf whips out his Sommerswerd and when the powers of the two weapons collide, we see ..."For a terrifying moment the tip of the Sommerswerd becomes molten and begins to lose its rigidity..." www.projectaon.org/en/xhtml/lw/18dotd/sect267.htmI was like WTF...have we reached the breaking point for our favourite divine weapon?
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Post by John Bryntze on Nov 29, 2011 9:57:49 GMT
I don't know if this one qualify for "Haaaang on a second" but in book 9 it is possible to fight a pack of doom wolves... www.projectaon.org/en/xhtml/lw/09tcof/sect244.htmDoomwolf: COMBAT SKILL 18 ENDURANCE 26 If you win and he fight last longer than 3 rounds... meaning you are pretty weak... what is your reward...? www.projectaon.org/en/xhtml/lw/09tcof/sect148.htmyou get to meet 6 doomwolves with only 38 in CS! 6 Doomwolves and Giak Riders: COMBAT SKILL 38 ENDURANCE 56 I understand that when you cannot fight the firsts one so fast the others come up on you... but if you were to weak to beat CS18 in 3 rounds... how could you beat CS38! they could better put a "You die" instead.
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