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Post by Rusty Radiator on Feb 25, 2012 16:24:03 GMT
I think that's an instance of a retroactive glitch. Think back to the first books, when Magnamund was basically the Darklands, Sommerlund and Durenor, with something called Vassagonia far away and the icy Kalte to the North. Back then, it was perfectly plausible for the Kai to unite once a year. It's only when you consider the subsequent development of Magnamund, and the spread of the Kai to basically everywhere, that the great Fehmarn Feast Kai Reunion no longer seems feasable. A retroactive 'Haaang On' is still a Haaang On. It is up to the author to maintain continuity within the canon. Anyways, Dever had already invented most of Magnamund for his D&D games, so he knew about the other places even if they weren't mapped in the books at that time. Yeah I never bought the whole 'every single kai in the world is here & now their all dead' thing. Read my Urban Legends of Lonewolf thread for a more plausible explanation...
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Post by Gazguz on Feb 26, 2012 3:34:21 GMT
Thinking about all this again made me look back at the MC, and in looking at the timeline it shows at least one previous siege of the Kai Monastery already.
Having not read the new revised version of the first book considering the Kai would include large numbers of experts in camouflage and escape and evasion is there a new explanation as to how Silent Wolf... a lowly initiate is the only one to survive?
Sure the "protected by Alyss" thing is the answer in some stories, but really if she could save one, would it really have been that difficult to save two or three so he didn't have to do everything himself.
More importantly if the Darklords could organise an ambush that could wipe out all the Kai together, why do they have such trouble defeating average sommlending with a few Kai leading them?
Of course asking such questions leads to a slippery path.
If you don't like the idea of Alyss surely the god Kai would step in and save Silent Wolf, and it was his lowly level of training that perhaps allowed him to go unnoticed while presumably an enormous force large enough to wipe out all the Kai except him was presumably scouring the surrounding area for escapees.
Regarding the idea that the first books didn't anticipate the Kai to do on quests to get experience the Kai ranking system that was present from the first book includes a rank of Journeyman, which is 4 levels above the level Silent Wolf starts the story at.
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Post by beowuuf on Feb 26, 2012 22:25:56 GMT
Basically he is being allowed, as the weaker initiate, to rush to activate a beacon to warn Holmgard while the stronger Kai take on the attackers. Lone Wolf would have died with everyone else if he wasn;t attempting that on the orders of his superiors, and then is the only one to get to a secret way out afterwards.
So it's just that - everyone else fights
Remember that the Kai have to swear to the king on Fehmarn. So even if they travel anywhere, they would plan to come back each year.
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Post by jdubs1211 on Feb 26, 2012 22:35:35 GMT
I thought all the Kai were local for the most part.. Like I know they did missions in other countries.. but I don't remember the Kai having a full time base of operation outside of Sommerlund.. Am I wrong?
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Post by Valanthe on Feb 27, 2012 15:39:02 GMT
Naw, you're correct jdubs.
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Post by Rusty Radiator on Mar 3, 2012 5:02:49 GMT
Basically he is being allowed, as the weaker initiate, to rush to activate a beacon to warn Holmgard while the stronger Kai take on the attackers. Lone Wolf would have died with everyone else if he wasn;t attempting that on the orders of his superiors, and then is the only one to get to a secret way out afterwards. So it's just that - everyone else fights Remember that the Kai have to swear to the king on Fehmarn. So even if they travel anywhere, they would plan to come back each year. That blows any kind of Deep Cover spying missions. Which presumeably they would be quite good at. Or any trips to Dessi or Lencia etc...
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Post by Taryn on Mar 5, 2012 17:59:24 GMT
I don't know about you. But if I were Lone Wolf, I would discontinue the whole "every Kai must be present for Fehmarn" thing for the Second Order. Wouldn't want all the Kai to be in one place to get massacred again.
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Post by Snowshadow on Mar 5, 2012 18:13:02 GMT
I don't know about you. But if I were Lone Wolf, I would discontinue the whole "every Kai must be present for Fehmarn" thing for the Second Order. Wouldn't want all the Kai to be in one place to get massacred again. Spolier-ish. We are told that Lone Wolf constructs a new Kai monastery on the Isle of Lorn in the story so far section of book 29 so with 2 monasteries exterminating the order in one go would be a lot harder.
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Post by Rusty Radiator on Mar 6, 2012 0:11:07 GMT
I don't know about you. But if I were Lone Wolf, I would discontinue the whole "every Kai must be present for Fehmarn" thing for the Second Order. Wouldn't want all the Kai to be in one place to get massacred again. Spolier-ish. We are told that Lone Wolf constructs a new Kai monastery on the Isle of Lorn in the story so far section of book 29 so with 2 monasteries exterminating the order in one go would be a lot harder. I imagine the Island of Lorn monastery to be 2nd in a new rapidly expanding franchise. TESTIFY!
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Post by Gazguz on Mar 8, 2012 5:27:24 GMT
I think he would have no choice because I was Lone Wolf from Book 1 through to book 10 and I never once celebrated Fehmarn during all that time.... Plus of course if we take the novels into consideration that bar owner that we came across that used to be a Kai but for some reason parted ways... people like him would not have been at any Kai festival either... But the explaination that everyone else fought to the death while Silent Wolf was sent on such an important mission does make some sense. Though I would expect several Kai would be entrusted with such a mission it is certainly plausible that he was the only one to make it. I loved the books and don't want to break the story anyway....
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Post by Vonotar on May 7, 2012 21:26:24 GMT
Dawn of the Dragons has a lot of 'eh?' moments - the pacing and narrative development just seem off compared to earlier books. For instance... Do I really have to risk a 100+ foot drop at Castle Tranius? Irrespective of my equipment, chosen Disciplines, and current EP? To avoid an enemy I know almost nothing about? www.projectaon.org/en/xhtml/lw/18dotd/sect72.htmOh wait, he has a magic item that can shoot fire. Panic! Run away! It's not like I run across a hooded/masked figure with a staff/ring/wand of power every time I leave the monastery. By Book 18, I've slain tyrants, abominations, wizards, and gods. My kill list reads like a Who's Who of Magnamund. Why on Aon would I feel obliged to jump out of a 10th storey window on account of some unknown, just because he's managed to figure out which end of the wand is the dangerous one?
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Post by Rusty Radiator on May 8, 2012 22:11:32 GMT
Dawn of the Dragons has a lot of 'eh?' moments - the pacing and narrative development just seem off compared to earlier books. For instance... Do I really have to risk a 100+ foot drop at Castle Tranius? Irrespective of my equipment, chosen Disciplines, and current EP? To avoid an enemy I know almost nothing about? www.projectaon.org/en/xhtml/lw/18dotd/sect72.htmOh wait, he has a magic item that can shoot fire. Panic! Run away! It's not like I run across a hooded/masked figure with a staff/ring/wand of power every time I leave the monastery. By Book 18, I've slain tyrants, abominations, wizards, and gods. My kill list reads like a Who's Who of Magnamund. Why on Aon would I feel obliged to jump out of a 10th storey window on account of some unknown, just because he's managed to figure out which end of the wand is the dangerous one? LMAO! ;D ;D ;D To be fair.... it does say he was summoning his minions. Perhaps Lone Wolf heard the pitter-patter of AN AWFUL LOT of undead/unwholesome sounding minions & decided he would rather not be trapped in a large open hallway by a horde of nasties AND a sinister bolt-throwing baddie that just killed 3 men in the wink of an eye. What I find most implausible in 18 is how effin hard all the Eldenorans are! Here's an example; Eldenoran Thug (drunk) COMBAT SKILL 34 ENDURANCE 34 So ONE undistinguished Eldenoran 'Thug' is more powerful than Yoacor, Drakkarim Assault Troopers(3), Knights of the White Mountain (2), Vonotar, Death Knights, Lord Zahda (with Power Staff), Sandai, Ookor, Agtah, Xaghash, Kezoor the Necromancer (protected with spells), The Scarlet Warrior, Archlord Haakon, Crypt Spawn, Mind Rapers, Dakomyd, Dhax, Roark, Barraka, Zagothals, Gourgaz, Helghasts, Akraa Neonor & a whole Drakkarim garrison. Give him a magic weapon I reckon he could see off Zakhan Kimah & the Chaos-master, not to mention any Darklord apart from Gnaag. And that's when he's drunk. I think he might be some kind of Drunken Master. Just thank your Lucky Star Pendants the Darklords never thought of hiring any Eldenorans when you were still an initiate- you'd have had NO chance!
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Post by bittermind on May 9, 2012 7:05:55 GMT
The 'good detector' security arch in Book 16. 50% or so chance of instant death because I'm carrying the Sommerswerd? Haaaang on...
Korlinium Scabbard, anybody?
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Post by Honza on May 9, 2012 10:33:33 GMT
The 'good detector' security arch in Book 16. 50% or so chance of instant death because I'm carrying the Sommerswerd? Haaaang on... Korlinium Scabbard, anybody? The Scabbard is not on the permissible items list for book 16. Maybe this is the reason for the penalty. (Don't know about Mongoose edition though...)
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Post by bittermind on May 9, 2012 17:27:40 GMT
Ah. Not on the permissible items list. Seems like it would have been the perfect time to take it along, doesn't it?
A 'sixth sense' for impending danger my a$$.
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