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Post by outspaced on Oct 13, 2007 23:16:49 GMT
Exactly, but that's not how the rules literally read, is it? I do think this could have been clarified by removing the phrase "when swallowed after combat" and instead commenting that Laumspur restores lost ENDURANCE--it does not allow Lone Wolf to increase his ENDURANCE beyond his starting level.
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Post by beowuuf on Oct 14, 2007 7:20:38 GMT
Then you could do it during combat
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Post by outspaced on Oct 14, 2007 9:42:02 GMT
Ah . . . it's starting to make a bit more sense now.
OK, how about an echo of the Fighting Fantasy rules: The Laumspur Potion may be consumed at any time except during combat to restore 4 lost ENDURANCE points. You may not exceed your starting ENDURANCE total.
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Post by BenKenobi on Oct 14, 2007 11:15:40 GMT
The rules in the Equipment section literally say: "Healing Potion - this can restore 4 ENDURANCE points to your total, when swallowed after combat." source: Equipment section (Flight from the Dark) (notice that it's the same in every book) It literally means that you can use it after a combat (not in any other moment) and that it adds 4 Endurance points to your total. I don't want to be polemic or assuming, really. But this rule is very clear and easy to understand, in my opinion.
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Post by Shadacool on Oct 14, 2007 12:36:51 GMT
But not in mine and not in those of many readers as it seems. Didn't want to be polemic though, just wanted to know everyone's opinion.
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Post by outspaced on Oct 14, 2007 21:37:34 GMT
The rules in the Equipment section literally say: "Healing Potion - this can restore 4 ENDURANCE points to your total, when swallowed after combat." source: Equipment section (Flight from the Dark) (notice that it's the same in every book) It literally means that you can use it after a combat (not in any other moment) and that it adds 4 Endurance points to your total. I don't want to be polemic or assuming, really. But this rule is very clear and easy to understand, in my opinion. But if I lost 10EP by travelling through a Shadow Gate (see The Masters of Darkness Section 1) I can't use Laumspur until after a combat[/u] despite having just taken 10 EP of damage[/b] going by the text of the book (the text you've repeated above)! There's nothing polemical about wanting to be accurate and avoid ambiguities. That's what Project Aon is all about.
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Post by insomniac on Oct 14, 2007 22:02:17 GMT
So there are two school of thought on this:
1) Literalist: a literal interpretation of the rules tells us that we can only use healing potions after combat.
2) Realist: if they are healing potions, they would realistically heal wounds no matter when they are used.
People who follow the first school of thought are strictly following the game's rules, but in a manner that, IMO, harms the book's immersive quality.
People who follow the second school of thought are technically cheating, but they are also using their items in a more intuitive manner.
In the end it's up to each person to decide for himself.
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Post by beowuuf on Oct 15, 2007 5:44:14 GMT
Well, how long is after combat?
Technically, after combat includes evading, yet surely running for your life you shouldn't be able to swig something from your backpack...
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Post by outspaced on Oct 15, 2007 9:55:33 GMT
2) Realist: if they are healing potions, they would realistically heal wounds no matter when they are used. ... People who follow the second school of thought are technically cheating, but they are also using their items in a more intuitive manner. That's the annoying thing about the wording. I agree that both you and BenKenobi are right in that Laumspur should restore ENDURANCE lost from any source. It's just that the rules are somewhat unclear about how/when it can be used, which has led to some splitting off lost ENDURANCE into several different types (missed Meals, psychic, combat, other), with Laumspur only restoring combat damage--which seems somewhat absurd. (Can a potion instinctively know which cuts are from combat damage?) By tweaking the text of the Laumspur entry this ambiguity could be avoided entirely. Beowuuf also makes a good point above. I'm in Book 19, so I can drink the Laumspur because it's after a combat I had with a Giak in Book 1 . . .
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Post by smacaskill on Oct 15, 2007 13:11:52 GMT
I always used potions to heal any damage at any point when I was not in combat. I never kept track of what damage came from battle and what was from hunger or other non-combat related injuries. I'm not sure if this is what the author had on mind, but it made the most sense to me.
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Post by insomniac on Oct 16, 2007 5:30:59 GMT
Perhaps the answer lies within this block of text: "LAUMSPUR Tato rostlina roste v oklí řek a na vlhkých místech. Kvete celé léto. Květy se suší a rozemílají se na prášek, který jestliže se nasype do rány zacelí ji a vrátí postavě 3+2k6 životů. Z květů lze vyrobit také lektvar (15M) který povipití vrátí postavě 2+2k10 životů." Source: dracidoupe.webpark.sk/byle.htmI believe the language is Slovak (Slovakian?). Here is a translation from one of those free online translators: "LAUMSPUR Moon's men rostlina quit within okl?? ek however upon vlhk? ch mortify? stech. Kvete whole? l? this Kv? ty yourself su?? however rosette? laj? yourself upon pr? ek kter? victual e yourself nasype up to r? ny healing? ji however vr? t? stature 32k6+? ivot? Z kv? t? lze vyrobit such? reader kter? povipit? vr? t? stature 22k10+? ivot?" I hope that clears things up.
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Post by Honza on Oct 16, 2007 7:14:28 GMT
Never trust a free translator "LAUMSPUR This plant grows near rivers and at the wet places. It blooms during whole summer. The flowers can be dried and grind into powder. The powder, if poured into the cut, it heal the cut up and return 3+2K6 life to the person. Also, the potion (15M) can be made from flowers. It 'll return 2+2K10 life to the person after drinking."
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Post by Wolfus on Oct 16, 2007 9:58:00 GMT
Hehe, funny Just replace "3+2K6" with "3+2D6" to substitute word Kostka with Die...
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Post by BenKenobi on Oct 17, 2007 17:58:18 GMT
Very well, I'm really happy there's no polemic ! I follow the school of thought of the Literalist. I try to follow the ideas of Joe Dever as closely as I can. I try to explain my doubts. Those three words stand there for some reason: I think that your way to use Laumspur destroys the three "after a combat" words. If you use Laumspur in every moment in the book, after every wound suffered by Lone Wolf, and 100 sections after the last combat you fought... then you play as those three words didn't exist at all. This is what I've always thought. Yes, I know, you could ask me the question: "For what reason a Laumspur potions heals wounds if used after a combat, and it doesn't heal wounds if used in any other moment ?" and I don't know what's the answer. P.S. Joe Dever is coming to Lucca this year, and I'm going too to meet him... I can try to ask him the question ! ;D
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Post by Doomy on Oct 17, 2007 18:10:03 GMT
Cool. Ask him what went wrong with Shamath's riddle while you're at it.
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