Sun Eagle and the Lorestones

[Swiftstar]

Hello all,

When Sun Eagle succesfully collected all the Lorestones and formed the First Order of the Kai, how did the Lorestones then go back to the fortresses they were in? Why did he not simply keep the Lorestones as Lone Wolf did?

Thanks,

Wajih

[Sarra]

I'm not sure on this one but I can take an educated guess. The Elder Magi knew of the prophecy of the Eagle and the Wolf right? Two quests. In order for this prophecy to be fufilled perhaps they persuaded Sun Eagle to hide the Lorestones for the prophecied Kai to quest out one day. Just a thought...

[deiseach]

I've always assumed that the Lorestones were given to friendly nations a la the Sommerswerd and Durenor. It seemed like a good idea in the post-Vashna settlement in northern Magnamund but became less clever as all manner of war, pestilence and famine engulfed the continent. And as Ronan says, it was all part of the grand plan

[Black Cat]

I have another question: when Lone Wolf takes a Lorestone, its power is transfered to him. When Sun Eagle made his quest, he surely also touched the Lorestones and probably received their power. So, how come Lone Wolf can get the power of the Lorestones if someone else took it from them a thousand years before him? Are the Lorestones like the Energizer's batteries that can be recharged when they are emptied of their power?

edit: I had a flash. I checked book 7 because I remembered that it is said something about Sun Eagle in the section of The story so far...:

In the years that have passed since Sun Eagle first came to this land, a great evil has consumed Kazan-Oud.

For me, this means that Sun Eagle never took the Lorestones away from their resting places. He just took their power and left them there. I guess that not the Elder Magi or Sun Eagle would had wanted to hide the Lorestones in a place full of evil. Another example of that is in book 6 on section 119:

You learn that [the Lorestone] remained in Varetta after Sun Eagle's quest, where it was set in the throne of Lyris in the Tower of the King.

So, none of the Lorestones left their hidding places after all. We can thank Sun Eagle for not taking them with him. It allowed Lone Wolf to travel to find them and it gave us a great Magnakai quest. ;D Still, it doesn't answer my question about recharging Lorestones...

[Relenoir]

I would guess that anyone in their presence capable of absorbing their power would be able to do so. Perhaps they only dim for a time after a recent transfer of power, then begin to glow again. Certainly a dim piece of glass would not have been as worthy of setting into a throne or sceptre as a brilliantly glowing gold one would have been! After all, they all glow in the Vault of the Sun after having transferred to Lone Wolf long before. Maybe when students are deemed ready Lone Wolf lets them touch the Lorestones?

We can thank Sun Eagle for not taking them with him.

Yes, it certainly would have made the later books less exciting:
You begin the heavy labor of removing the stones that block the stairway to the Vault of the Sun beneath the ruins of the Kai Monastery. If you possess Huntmastery, you may keep working without stopping to go prepare a meal as a chipmunk darts out from under a rock. Eventually, you come across a heavy rock that you cannot move with your bare hands.
If you possess leather gloves and a lever, turn to x.
If you possess the Discipline of Nexus, and wish to use it, turn to y.
If you possess any friends who will help you, turn to z.
If you do not qualify for any of the above, the rock rolls on top of you as you try to move it. Your life and quest end here, in the same place as you started.
Not very interesting, eh?

[Nerethel]

I always imagined that each person could absorb the energy of a lorestone once, but it was still energized for anyone else that hadn't touched them, yet. To the person they energized, the Lorestone looked like a worthless orb of glass, but if observed by others, it would still give a glow.

If that's the case, it would make sense for Sun Eagle to leave the stones where he found them, percieving them to be empty receptacles and near worthless. Perhaps his perceived wisdom pf leaving them lying about where he found them was nothing more than thinking they were 'used up' already.

Nerethel

[Swiftstar]

hhmm...if so, then why was Lone Wolf collecting them? why did he also not leave them where he found them?

[Black Cat]

Maybe Lone Wolf knew that the Lorestone were still useful after he grabbed them, so he didn't want to do the same mistake that his ancestor did by leaving them where they were, ready to be destroyed (or used) by the first evil dude coming in.

[Peregrine]

It's not at all certain that he didn't mean to leave them in their places.

The first one, the Lorestone of Varetta, wasn't in Varetta when Lone Wolf found it, and had in fact moved around quite a bit. Even if he didn't have the idea then of collecting the set, it made sense not to leave it where it was. Doubly so for the Lorestone of Herdos, in that crumbling fortress of evil and all. After that, the war started and all the Lorestones' resting places were at risk, so collecting them was necessary.

And so when he was done, Lone Wolf had all the Lorestones in his possession at once. Now I'm sure he could have gone around putting them back where they came from (possibly taking a few shortcuts, like finding a new home for the Lorestone of Ohrido), but I think at that point he decided to take a well-deserved holiday and do something easier, like excavate a massive vault for them.

[WinterWolf]

Sun Eagle must have known that the Lorestones still had their power. After all he wrote the book of the Magnakai and it was the book that contained the passage telling those who came after to "Seek out the Lorestone of Varreta, for only it holds the power....."

So prehaps it was the Magicians of Dessi who told him to leave the Lorestones as they knew the prophecy of Skarn.

[Nerethel]

Good point, WinterWolf. I stand corrected, as that seems to make more sense.

I still believe, though, that they look like empty orbs after they are touched, but only by the one who touches them. It's how I made sense of the whole matter.

Nerethel

[WinterWolf]

Swiftstar said:

hhmm...if so, then why was Lone Wolf collecting them? why did he also not leave them where he found them?

Maybe he was a kleptomaniac!

In the gamebooks he was always picking up stuff that didn't belong to him. ;D

[The Tagazin Poodle]

I think he was, considering you're allowed to have the Sommerswerd, the Dagger of Vashna, six Jewelled Maces, the Silver Bow of Duadon, and Helshezag, and yet not be over the weapon limit.

Maybe LW missed the class where you learned to live frugally.

[Nyxator]

Nerethel said:

I always imagined that each person could absorb the energy of a lorestone once, but it was still energized for anyone else that hadn't touched them, yet. To the person they energized, the Lorestone looked like a worthless orb of glass, but if observed by others, it would still give a glow.

From newsletter 27 (http://www.projectaon.org/en/pdf/lwcn/Newsletter_27.pdf):

"Lone Wolf absorbed the power of the Lore-stones upon first touching them. He kept the korlinium shells and later ‘recharged’ them once he had attained the rank and abilities of a Kai Grand Master and was physically able to do so. This took three years to accomplish. The ‘re-charged’ Lorestones now hold the key to Lone Wolf’s powers and are a safeguard for the future of the Kai in the event of Lone Wolf’s sudden demise. Nb. The time required to ‘recharge’ the Lorestones (approximately three years) makes it impractical for each member of the New Order to individually acquire their Magnakai Disciplines by simply touching the Lorestones. They have to acquire their skills the hard way—through training, study, and journey-maning".

[Black Cat]

Nyxator said:

From newsletter 27 (http://www.projectaon.org/en/pdf/lwcn/Newsletter_27.pdf):

"Lone Wolf absorbed the power of the Lorestones upon first touching them. He kept the korlinium shells and later ‘recharged’ them once he had attained the rank and abilities of a Kai Grand Master and was physically able to do so. This took three years to accomplish. "

Ok, now, if you say that Sun Eagle left the Lorestones where he found them on the order of the Elder Magi, then how could he possibly recharged them for Lone Wolf? Surely the Elder Magi knew that problem because of the legend of Ikar and Skarn, right? The only solution is that Sun Eagle kept them for three years, recharged them, and put them back where he found them. But yet again you have to make abstraction of the quotation I've made earlier about book 6. And I don't think that he would had liked to make another trip into the Danarg...

The solution I see for this problem is that Sun Eagle left the Lorestones where he found them. The Elder Magi didn't say anything to him about leaving them there because they knew that it was the destiny of the Lorestones to be left where they were so that the legend could be accomplished. Later, Sun Eagle recharged the Lorestones with his telegnosis habilities(there's no details about how to recharge a Lorestone, right?). That's how I see this problem.