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Post by Ghost of Landar on Dec 1, 2004 16:14:56 GMT
I guess what I was thinking, Sol, was that he absorbed them for a time, but that they still "existed" and they reappeared when he wished them too, especially when he built the Vault under the Tower of the Sun.
Does LW even go home after Kazan-Oud? I mean, OK, I guess he could have kept the Lorestone of Herdos and Varetta with the Magi, but what about after that?
He still has several Lorestones and he's just carrying them around? Orbs of korlinium? Um..that would start to weigh down I believe.
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Post by Ghost of Landar on Dec 1, 2004 16:18:14 GMT
Oh and think of this--you never mark the Lorestone as a Special Item.
You mark EVERYTHING that you get, but you don't mark the Lorestones?
No, I think LW absorbs them until he comes back and they are re-formed.
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Post by columbob on Dec 1, 2004 16:53:23 GMT
I really don't think he carries them with him, after all they're not that useful once he's absorbed their lore. I'm pretty sure he just leaves them with the Elder Magi in Elzian.
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Post by Sol on Dec 1, 2004 18:51:18 GMT
I used to mark the Lorestones as special items, but the book certainly does not tell you to.
That is never a big deal since when you obtain the lorestone, the adventure is usually just about over - maybe Lone Wolf could tolerate a little extra weight until the end of the adventure. Exception: Book 11 where he carries one of the stones for quite a while before exiting the Daziarn.
Now if he had to carry all seven, that WOULD weigh him down a bit. I get the idea that each one is about the size of a Bocce Ball - and that is NOT SMALL!
I'm starting to come around to this whole absorprion thing.
Cool idea: what if Lone Wolf could save the Lorestone in his backpack... and save its EP-restorative powers for use at will (but just once per stone). A good question: if you did this optional rule, you might have to hold off on gaining your next magnakai discipline as well until you "activate" the power of the lorestone.
This might not work in Book 6 where the stone's wisdom is needed to defeat the Dakomyd.
Still, who wouldn't want a free EP-reset while fighting the Chaos-Master or another big baddie?
Another ammendment: you would have to use-them-or-lose-them before beginning Book 13... Lone Wolf clearly has mastered all the Magnakai disciplines by this time.
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Post by Nyxator on Dec 2, 2004 13:11:05 GMT
I'll try to answer some of this. Nyxator loses the stones to Agarash the Damned, who steals them after killing the Dragon. Agarash can't stand their presence, nor use them, however, so he spreads the stones across Magnamund, placing a dreadful guard over each. [...] Okay, checked it out. Yeah, I was just confirming that Agarash was the one who originally spread about the Lorestones. Well, that's according to the RPG, which is not canon, as it's not written by Joe Dever. From the Magnamund Companion: "They [The Elder Magi] undertook a daring assault upon his fortress at Naaros and seized the stolen Lorestones of Nyxator whilst he [Agarash] slept, entranced by their spells". It's evident that Agarash did not spread the Lorestones across Magnamund.
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Post by Ghost of Landar on Dec 2, 2004 16:19:51 GMT
Remember that in Tahou, there are a few sections AFTER you get the Lorestone. It comes down to you wrapped in a Crocaryx egg. You never mark it as an item. I still hold that, temporarily, the power is absorbed into LW and becomes a part of him.
He is THE hero, even greater than Sun Eagle and I think the rules don't apply to him the same way. Jungle of Horrors is the same deal--there are a few sections after getting the Lorestone and they never tell you to mark it down as an item--yet other items you acquire right at the end are to be marked.
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Post by Zipp on Dec 2, 2004 16:43:20 GMT
Well, that's according to the RPG, which is not canon, as it's not written by Joe Dever. From the Magnamund Companion: "They [The Elder Magi] undertook a daring assault upon his fortress at Naaros and seized the stolen Lorestones of Nyxator whilst he [Agarash] slept, entranced by their spells". It's evident that Agarash did not spread the Lorestones across Magnamund. Actually, it's been debated whether or not the RPG is cannon, since Joe himself has stated that it can be taken as cannon. Also, I knew about the original text, but this is one that I believe Joe actually rewrote latter on, if you've read any of the interviews. He said that it wouldn't have made sense for the Elder Magi to spread the stones around, nor to put them in the dark lands they end up in. I know it's a bit hard to take that without proof, so let me try and dig the interview up. I have it stored somewhere. I know it wasn't a newsletter one.
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Post by Nyxator on Dec 2, 2004 19:24:16 GMT
Actually, it's been debated whether or not the RPG is cannon, since Joe himself has stated that it can be taken as cannon. Also, I knew about the original text, but this is one that I believe Joe actually rewrote latter on, if you've read any of the interviews. He said that it wouldn't have made sense for the Elder Magi to spread the stones around, nor to put them in the dark lands they end up in. I know it's a bit hard to take that without proof, so let me try and dig the interview up. I have it stored somewhere. I know it wasn't a newsletter one. Ok, but it seems strange to me that Joe had a remarkable involvement with the RPG development since his name doesn't appear in the books (except for Magic of Magnamund, in which he appears as "source author", which could mean anything. For instance, it could mean that he wrote the gamebooks that inspired he RPG). Of course, as a skeptic, I'm ready to change my opinion in the light of evidence.
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Post by Zipp on Dec 3, 2004 21:22:35 GMT
Yeah, I wondered about the reliability, too, until I was notified that Joe had okayed and re-edited it all. But it makes sense, Joe's great about fan fiction and stuff, but he's also strict about keeping to facts, which I admire. It's helped the fan fiction, as well as works such as the RPG, by making them seem more together, more structured, more official.
Still looking for that interview on Agarash, might have to throw out my argument if I can't find out. Is the original passage from the Companion?
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Post by Thomas Wolmer on Dec 4, 2004 0:48:40 GMT
About this with marking the Lorestones as items or not - there are other items throughout the books that you are just told that you pick up, and perhaps use "automatically" a few sections later. Pieces of clothing, and such.
These are "trivial" items, that the story line requires that you do not throw away or refuse to pick up. So the fact that the Lorestones aren't marked on the Action Chart doesn't really mean anything.
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Post by Ghost of Landar on Dec 4, 2004 20:18:38 GMT
But you just proved the point--the Lorestones are not a piece of clothing or something used within the storyline a few sections later. They may be something that you do not have a choice in keeping, but holding onto about 4-5 Lorestones would be beyond cumbersome. They would be marked on your chart. They are closer to the Sommerswerd, the Platinum Amulet(which you must have in order to even survive many of the books,) or the Crystal Explosive used to destroy the Tanoz-tukor.
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Post by columbob on Dec 6, 2004 13:14:44 GMT
But you just proved the point--the Lorestones are not a piece of clothing or something used within the storyline a few sections later. They may be something that you do not have a choice in keeping, but holding onto about 4-5 Lorestones would be beyond cumbersome. They would be marked on your chart. They are closer to the Sommerswerd, the Platinum Amulet(which you must have in order to even survive many of the books,) or the Crystal Explosive used to destroy the Tanoz-tukor. But the Lorestones are not used in any of the books, that's why you don't need to write them down on your sheet. It's for simplicity's sake, otherwise JD would have had to write (write it down on your sheet as a special item, however it takes no space and you don't need to drop another one to make room for it. Also, you can leave it in safekeeping at the Monastery/Elzian in between the books, if you read the next ones, so you don't get cluttered up with them). The point is that there is no use in writing them down.
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Post by BenKenobi on Dec 8, 2004 18:31:09 GMT
Yeah, that's right.... the fact that you don't sign them as an Item, doens't mean that you "absorb" them or leave them there, or anything else. Lone Wolf carries them along with him.
At the end of book n.10, you grab one of the three Lorestones, while the other two fall with you in the Shadowgate. This means that you carry the Lorestone of Luomi for the ENTIRE book n.11... and this is not a problem to Lone Wolf. So carrying them around is possible.
I suppose because they are lightweight, they are crystal orbs filled with knowledge and power. We don't know exactly their dimensions, the illustrations don't tell us nothing (what's their size compared to human size), maybe they don't take a lot of room in the backpack or they are stored in another part of the backpack (as certain items you find during the adventures, as Fireseeds, etc...).
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Post by Sol on Dec 8, 2004 20:21:26 GMT
Maybe the stones sort of float around and orbit Lone Wolf. It is also interesting to note that in Book 11, there is a crimson guard of some kind who has the Lorestones... and -he- didn't absorb them. Maybe only Lone Wolf could, though.
Also, how did Vonotar find out that the Lorestones were in the Daziarn? I am sure he has his ways, but I always thought it was kinda cheese that you have this whole big plot with Chaosmaster and then they just stuff Vonotar in there at the end of the story so you can slaughter him. Wouldn't it have been way cooler if the Chaosmaster (mooshy) was able to get a hold of the LoreStones and decided to invade Magnamund himself through the shadow gate? I mean, that would have been way cool and would have made a more dramatic end-battle. So what if Vonotar and his ruffians make it back? I mean, everybody kicks Vonotar's butt all the time. Loi Kymar almost killed him with a bunch of plants, and he's what, 200?
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Post by Zipp on Dec 9, 2004 17:56:48 GMT
We have to assume that a Vonotar armed with the Lorestones would be quite another matter. Also, his ruffians are among the worst criminals in Summerlund's history.
Actually, this begs the question: could Vonotar, being a creature of Dark, use the Lorestones? Or, like Agarash, would they resist him?
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