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Post by Nyxator on Sept 2, 2004 10:13:22 GMT
Either that, or the Lorestones can recharge themselves even without external intervention, but the process is much slower. After all, more than 12 centuries passed between Sun Eagle and Lone Wolf.
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Post by Relenoir on Sept 2, 2004 11:06:54 GMT
My guess is that because there were centuries between them, and others tried to use them, they slowly recharged themselves.
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Post by Sol on Nov 30, 2004 19:12:31 GMT
That is one good question --- who did steal the Lorestones in Sun Eagle's time and how? I mean, it is a very good trick that ALL SEVEN were stolen... even considering that there were many kai that would have possibly gone looking for them.
Maybe they are like the dragonballs and all shot off after Sun Eagle made a wish on them.
Did Sun Eagle actually return the Lorestones to the monostary, or did he just leave them where he found them?
Do you count a Lorestone as a special item?
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Post by Sol on Nov 30, 2004 19:19:36 GMT
Oops, I just reread this topic and it does answer (somewhat) the questions regarding how the Lorestones came to be scattered throughout Magnamund. Here is a new different question:
How did Nyxatar deliver these stones to Magnamund in the first place?
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Post by Frying Pan on Nov 30, 2004 19:46:59 GMT
If Sun Eagle had returned the Lorestones to the Monastery, they would all have been destroyed in the siege.
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Post by Sol on Nov 30, 2004 20:36:14 GMT
That begs the question: is Lone Wolf unwise to keep all the Lorestones (not to mention the Book of the Magnakai) in one place?
I mean, just how strong is the Vault of the Sun?
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Post by Zipp on Nov 30, 2004 21:21:14 GMT
I'll try to answer some of this.
Nyxator loses the stones to Agarash the Damned, who steals them after killing the Dragon. Agarash can't stand their presence, nor use them, however, so he spreads the stones across Magnamund, placing a dreadful guard over each.
I think the theory that Sun Eagle left the Stones where he found them is a bit off. For one thing, I was also under the impression that he found them in different places than Lone Wolf. It is mentioned that his journey was frought with peril, yet the places Lone Wolf finds the stones were safe during Sun Eagle's time. Isn't it more likely that he found the stones and then moved them to new locations, where they could be protected better?
Obviously, these places fell apart, but if you remember, most of them are holy temples and ancient ruins. Creatures of darkness do not build holy temples to fill with yummy lorestones. Creatures of light are not able to wander into dark territory and buils temples of light without becoming yummies. My point is that these places couldn't have been as dangerous when Sun Eagle goes on his quest as they are when Lone Wolf completes his. If Sun Eagle's quest was "frought with peril" he must have gone elsewhere, into the heart of dark lands, found the stones, and then placed them in varrying locations across Magnamund.
Further proof is the fact that Agarash would not have placed them in holy temples, etc.
I believe that their power might've faded after this, although there are issues with this theory, since more than one of the guardians of the stones that Lone Wolf fights were drawn to the power of the stones centuries ago, yet after Sun Eagle had arrived. Also, Nyxator intended the stones to contain his wisdom, thus it makes sense that the wisdom would not be drained from the stone. It is true that something like this seems to occur whenever Lone Wolf touches a Lorestone, though.
I think this is because Lone Wolf, most likely Sun Eagle too, draws that wisdom into themselves, thus becoming the new Lorestone, so to speak. It makes sense that eventually, as this wisdom is lost, forgotten, etc., it would seep back into the stones, repowering them.
Certainly the Doomstones, fashioned after the Lorestones, do not lose their power every time someone touches them, or claims them.
Now, is it a good idea for Lone Wolf to keep them at the Monastery? Um, yes. First of all, the collapse of the Monastery would not have destroyed the Lorestones. I mean, these are powered with the will of Nyxator. Roof falling in? No problem. Also, we have to remember that the safest place in all Magnamund right now is the Monastery. The realm is at war. Lone Wolf is no diplomat outside of Sommerlund, he just kills icky things. I can't remember him ever fixing the dispute in the Slovic lands, or the south. Occasionally, he will kill things that makes the peoples fall down, and thus "diplomatically" serves the people, but mostly he's a warrior.
Thus, the realms are not so safe for the placing of delicate objects, like the Lorestones. Now I'm gonna go look up some stuff about Nyxator, be back in a sec.
Okay, checked it out. Yeah, I was just confirming that Agarash was the one who originally spread about the Lorestones.
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Post by PurpleTurtle on Nov 30, 2004 21:38:25 GMT
Here's the real scoop:
The lorestones are destroyed each time someone absorbs their power. It's clearly stated that they become nothing more than hollow spheres of glass each time Lone Wolf acquires one.
How did both kouras-tas-kai manage to absorb a full set of lorestones each time then?
Well, you see, Nyxator was a dragon. What he did was, he laid a set of lore stones containing his infinite power and wisdom before he died. Eventually, Sun Eagle found these eggs, I mean, lorestones, and made a yummy omelette. That is to say, he absorbed their power and become the great Kai Grand Master. He knew that eventually, someone else would also need a tasty omelette, I mean, need to absorb a bunch of infinite wisdom. So after many years of squeezing and puffing, he finally laid a whole new set of lorestones each infused with his own wisdom and power. He hid these throughout the land in sacred temples so that only the most dedicated of Kai Lords would be able to partake of their yummy goodness. Now that Lone Wolf has absorbed the latest set of lorestones, it is his turn to lay a clutch of delicious golden spheres should the transmission of Kai wisdom ever falter.
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Post by outspaced on Nov 30, 2004 21:41:50 GMT
As quoted from Gwynian's Forum in Lone Wolf Club Newsletter #27:
So the Lorestones do recharge after use, but it takes time.
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Post by Sol on Nov 30, 2004 21:46:44 GMT
Purple Turtle,
that is really, really, seriously wrong.
Welcome to our board!
Sol
Fave Quote: "Occasionally, he will kill things that makes the peoples fall down" - Awesome!
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Post by Zipp on Nov 30, 2004 22:05:30 GMT
Thank you Sol, thank you.
Purple Turtle: I began writing a rebuke to your theory and had gotten as far as the fluffy omeletes before I realized it was a spoof.
But now I have the "Omelete Rebuke" which will have to stay hidden from the world forever. Sigh, the practical reasons of why Sun Eagle could not concievably lay an egg, let alone a Lorestone. Kai Lords will be debating this one for years to come.
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Post by Ghost Bear on Dec 1, 2004 6:49:52 GMT
Sun Eagle never got past the rank of Kai Grand Master though...
-GB
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Post by Peregrine on Dec 1, 2004 6:56:03 GMT
Okay, checked it out. Yeah, I was just confirming that Agarash was the one who originally spread about the Lorestones. And was he? I'm sure I remember something about the Elder Magi retrieving them from Naaros after they took down Agarash... Maybe he did and maybe he didn't. I figured that if he was the one who gave them their names, then he could have found them anywhere and either named them for the place he found them, or for where he left them, so you could have been right. However... ...yes! Yes! Definitive proof that Sun Eagle did not name the Lorestones! As discussed previously, the Lorestones of Gamir and Vinaldo are named for places that are now under Drakkarim rule (Darke and Shpydar, respectively). They were lost in the Darkdawn War, MS 2606-10. But Sun Eagle didn't quest for the Lorestones for another 1,200 years! And look here... I was wrong, the Elder Magi didn't recover the Lorestones when they defeated Agarash. They did it a thousand years beforehand by sneaking into Naaros and putting him to sleep. ;D So, the Elder Magi had the Lorestones and they set them in safe places across Northern Magnamund, presumably after Agarash fell. Sun Eagle seems to have found them more or less where they left them, but while he did have an easier time of it than Lone Wolf, it wasn't easy. The Lorestone of Herdos wasn't in a daunting fortress of evil, and presumably the Danarg wasn't so bad that he thought it was unsafe to leave the Lorestone of Ohrido in its (reasonably secure) temple. But he still had to go into Drakkarim lands and get the last two. Possibly he left them with their former keepers, the Lencians, who unfortunately let them again fall into enemy hands at the time of Lone Wolf? Love it. ;D And really, where are they going to put them? Not having all your eggs in one basket is good advice, but when you've only got one basket and the house is full of malicious little creatures with egg-smashing hammers, you put all your eggs in that basket, and a lot of heavy weaponry too. (Perhaps I'm taking the extended metaphor a little too far, but anyway...) So unless and until Lone Wolf starts up a Kai franchise, the Book and the Lorestones had best stay where they are. Not that opening a few more monasteries is a bad idea. He's got a few Grand Masters, right? Give them a monastery each... one down in Ruanon, a chapter house in Toran and Holmgard, a kind of permanent Kai embassy over in Durenor (after all, they looked after the Sommerswerd long enough, why not a Lorestone?) - it could work! Sun Eagle never got past the rank of Kai Grand Master though... On the other hand, wolves don't lay eggs.
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Post by Ghost of Landar on Dec 1, 2004 8:13:57 GMT
Anyone ever get the impression that the Lorestones are literally absorbed into Lone Wolf??
Sure, the first one or two seem to become dark orbs after he absorbs the power, but the others just seem to disappear when he grabs them.
Or maybe that's just my way of understanding how he could walk around with 4-5 lorestones?
Also, there were seven Kazim stones and I sometimes am reminded of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom because they seem to glow with the same yellowish light(until they burn hot.)
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Post by Sol on Dec 1, 2004 13:10:57 GMT
Ghost of Landar,
Absorbed into Lone Wolf? This is an interesting theory that I never thought of. I don't think it is true, because I thought I remembered that LW placed the stones in the Vault of the Sun and that the book makes mention that all seven are there (or does it?). On the other hand...
I seem to remember that the Lorestone of Ohrido came to Lone Wolf as a beam of light which condensed in his very hands to become the Lorestone. So if it was energy before he found it, why wouldn't it return to energy as he absorbed its power?
This is a small reach, but I think still worthy of some discussion. I believe at least one other Lorestone came to Lone Wolf in this way... which one was it?
Could it be that once Lone Wolf had begun absorbing Lorestones that he was able to ingest the wisdom (yummy-goodness) whole?
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