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Post by Dusk Fox on Jun 16, 2005 22:26:06 GMT
At which point Lone Wolf would come out of retirement to finish the job he started back in Book 2.
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Post by outspaced on Jun 16, 2005 22:35:06 GMT
Though of course at any time Naar could restore the ones not destroyed by the Sommerswerd, as evidenced by the return of the two Zagarna killed. Yeah, that's very strange. I must say, I don't quite understand what went on there.
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Post by Dusk Fox on Jun 16, 2005 23:08:10 GMT
Writer error.
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Post by North Star on Jun 17, 2005 0:22:57 GMT
Or simply the error of people who don't realise. Perhaps it was Naar showing the Darklords that while they could bicker, if they tried to destroy themselves, He wouldn't let them. OH and Dusk Fox, try to be more diplomatic, especially when being dismissive without proof.
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Post by Black Cat on Jun 17, 2005 2:58:38 GMT
Just to bring more fuel to this conversation... Ulnar had the Sommerswerd when he killed Vashna (book 4), BUT it is said that only a Kai Lord can use this sword, otherwise its powers would disappear (book 2). So, Ulnar was probably a Kai Lord or, at least, he had the blood of the Kai but didn't train his abilities to be properly called as such. Also, why Zagarna is completely destroyed and not Vashna, since both were killed by the Sommerswerd? My answers: 1-Vashna was too powerful to be completely destroyed by the Sommerswerd wielded by a very low-rank Kai Lord. 2-It was on purpose that Naar left the soul of Vashna on Magnamund, imprisonning it in the Maaken Gorge, like putting a fresh piece of meat into the freezer to eat later.
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Post by Dusk Fox on Jun 17, 2005 4:36:05 GMT
Or simply the error of people who don't realise. Perhaps it was Naar showing the Darklords that while they could bicker, if they tried to destroy themselves, He wouldn't let them. OH and Dusk Fox, try to be more diplomatic, especially when being dismissive without proof. Sheesh, who are you guys, my etiquette tutors? I am seriously getting tired of getting my ear tweaked every time I say something that isn't 100% sunshine sparking out my backside. I think it's frickin' writer error, okay? It seems like a case of, "Oh shoot, did I say those guys died earlier? Damn. How can I write myself out of that?" It happens to the best of writers all the time. Robert Jordan must spend half of his time writing out complicated side-plots to explain slip-ups he had in previous books, and he's considered to be a writer at the top of his field. Ease up, 'kay? I'm not out to hurt feelings or step on toes, but I'm not going to play Politeness Fairy, either.
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Post by Dusk Fox on Jun 17, 2005 4:39:09 GMT
Just to bring more fuel to this conversation... Ulnar had the Sommerswerd when he killed Vashna (book 4), BUT it is said that only a Kai Lord can use this sword, otherwise its powers would disappear (book 2). So, Ulnar was probably a Kai Lord or, at least, he had the blood of the Kai but didn't train his abilities to be properly called as such. Also, why Zagarna is completely destroyed and not Vashna, since both were killed by the Sommerswerd? My answers: 1-Vashna was too powerful to be completely destroyed by the Sommerswerd wielded by a very low-rank Kai Lord. 2-It was on purpose that Naar left the soul of Vashna on Magnamund, imprisonning it in the Maaken Gorge, like putting a fresh piece of meat into the freezer to eat later. This one has actually been sticking in my head a lot lately, but I didn't want to tweak egos. The funny part about it is this--there were no Kai at the time, but there was a Sommerswerd. Sun Eagle was the first Kai Lord, but he was still just a solider at that particular battle. An exceptional soldier and a Baron of Tyso, yes, but not a Kai Lord. And yet, the Sommerswerd can only be wielded by a Kai Lord. I think the best answer is probably the most expedient--as you mentioned before, Ulnar had it in him to become a Kai Lord, but lacked the training (as it did not even exist at the time). After the formation of the Order of the Kai, the Sommerswerd became the weapon of Kai Lords, Sommerlund's elite warriors.
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Post by Runeheart on Jun 17, 2005 4:43:37 GMT
A well thought out and considered arguement. I think Dusk Fox has shown that he can develop a good arguement based on evidence and opinion, no need to be so hard on the guy. But who had the sommerswerd before Ulnar, or did it come with him when the Ulnarian people migrated.
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Post by Dusk Fox on Jun 17, 2005 4:48:58 GMT
A well thought out and considered arguement. I think Dusk Fox has shown that a can develop a good arguement based on evidence and opinion, no need to be so hard. Thanks for the props, runeheart. I'm not mad at anyone, I'm just fed up with people correcting me like they're my parents. But who had the sommerswerd before Ulnar, or did it come with him when the Ulnarian people migrated. If I recall correctly, Kai gave the Sommerswerd to the Sommlending when they were brought to Magnamund to fight the Darklords/Drakkarim (I can't recall which, but I think it's in the MC).
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Post by Runeheart on Jun 17, 2005 4:55:13 GMT
I can temper this by saying that I also saw a couple of ill concieved answers and replies, but I am sure we can still converse, yes? As for the Sommerswerd, I have MC and I will do some research and find out.
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Post by Dusk Fox on Jun 17, 2005 5:02:25 GMT
I can temper this by saying that I also saw a couple of ill concieved answers and replies, but I am sure we can still converse, yes? I see no reason why not. I'm not asking you to love everything I say. I just don't want to be chastised for voicing an unpopular opinion, however blunt it may be. As for the Sommerswerd, I have MC and I will do some research and find out. I have it on .pdf (thank you, Project Aon), but I didn't really want to look it up. I'm sort of cooking.
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Post by Black Cat on Jun 17, 2005 5:02:56 GMT
The Sommerswerd was made by the race of the Ulnarian, the nation that settled in the land of Sommerlund and that stopped the expansion of the Darklands to the East. After Vashna's death, they gave the Sommerswrd, not to the Kai, but the Durenese for some reasons that we largely discussed here. You can try to look for that thread.
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Post by Dusk Fox on Jun 17, 2005 5:05:01 GMT
The Sommerswerd was created by the Nuoma, not the Sommlending.
Still, all of this... it doesn't really make much sense that the Sommerswerd has to be wielded by a Kai Lord if, from everything I'm reading, it never had been historically.
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Post by Black Cat on Jun 17, 2005 5:07:28 GMT
Maybe that all Sommlendings have Kai Lord genes?
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Post by Dusk Fox on Jun 17, 2005 5:09:05 GMT
That may be the case. If I recall correctly, only the Sommlending can become Kai Lords.
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