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Post by North Star on Jun 22, 2005 8:08:19 GMT
True, but shouldn't that be the way with epic heroes that they can winnow through many lesser enemies and only take minor wounds?
NS.
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Post by Al on Jun 22, 2005 8:40:25 GMT
I think that is the logic, at least that is the conclusion that I came to when I thought about it. As it stands, if LW and EN have the same CS, then LW will crush him, which kind of does not make sense untill you realize that LW is not just any kind of character, rather he is a Hero, the stuff of Legends kind of guy. It means that he is capable of defeating enemies that normal people would be crushed by (the stuff o' legends)
The long and the short of it is, though, is that chances are if you go toe to toe with an En who has a much higher CS, you have a fighting chance of taking him down.
Al
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Post by Dusk Fox on Jun 22, 2005 21:30:20 GMT
And that all makes sense, and my battle with Zakhan Kimah was the toughest I had ever engaged in--I was brought down to nearly a quarter of my Endurance, and had I not resorted to the Alether, it's possible the same rolls may have ended in my death (though I don't think this was the actual case).
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Post by North Star on Jun 22, 2005 23:52:58 GMT
As it should be! Kimah is one of the toughest pre-GM villains!
NS.
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Post by Dusk Fox on Jun 23, 2005 0:19:42 GMT
Agreed, but it wasn't as tough as people made it out to be. I mean, I did win the first time through, and I didn't do anything all that special to do it--I just used an item I'd been saving for the occasion.
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deiseach
Kai Lord
Champion of the Sommerswerd
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Post by deiseach on Jun 29, 2005 21:32:13 GMT
It makes no sense that LW should have a better chance of winning a fight even though his CS is two or three points lower than his opponent. After all, by definition his opponent is better!
Ah, the joys of play balance
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Post by North Star on Jun 29, 2005 23:23:51 GMT
Daisack! Welcome back! NS.
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Post by Al on Jun 30, 2005 12:11:24 GMT
It makes no sense that LW should have a better chance of winning a fight even though his CS is two or three points lower than his opponent. After all, by definition his opponent is better! Yeah, but he is a hero, and some would say that heros are ordinary people who do extraordinary things. By switching the balance to LWs favour, then it allows an ordinary Kia to do extra-ordinary things. If not, then thier would be no legends or the legends would be full of supermen, not batmen. Just my thoughts on this, Al
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Post by Dusk Fox on Jun 30, 2005 16:30:04 GMT
By switching the balance to LWs favour, then it allows an ordinary Kia to do extra-ordinary things. So, in essence, it allows a Kia to perform like a Corvette. I'm sorry, dude--you just keep making that typo, and I can't resist the amusing image of an economically-priced midrange sedan in a green cloak going off on a one-car crusade against the forces of Naar. Not mocking you, personally, but the mental image is just too funny to ignore (especially when you think of the car riding on the back of an itikar, or trying to win the archery contest with Altan).
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Post by North Star on Jun 30, 2005 22:10:03 GMT
Well, in Altan's case, Kia needs only to drive over his foot! NS.
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Post by grimrod on Nov 10, 2005 14:17:25 GMT
It was his CS 44 E 50 versus my CS 42 E 40--odds are against me, but it's not a total landslide. Here's the breakdown. CS 19 to start (okay, so I didn't roll that, but it's possible playing by the rules, so it's not totally cheating). Weaponmastery Sword +3 Lore-Circle of Fire +1 Lore-Circle of Spirit +3 Sommerswerd +8 Silver Helmet +2 Shield +2 Leading up to a total CS of 38, at which point I took that distilled Alether I've been leaving back in safekeeping but took along with me on this adventure. This may sound like convenient thinking, but to be honest, I took all the Alether I had left on this mission, not just the "good stuff." For some reason I thought there were more tough fights in this adventure. Agreed, but it wasn't as tough as people made it out to be. I mean, I did win the first time through, and I didn't do anything all that special to do it--I just used an item I'd been saving for the occasion. I must take issue with this. You claim that what you've done here isn't all that spectacular, but I think that, indeed, it was extremely premeditated and that only with extreme care and planning were you able to acheive the combat skill necessary to beat Kimah. First of all, finding the silver helmet isn't a guarantee. You might never ever know it exists. Second, finding the concentrated Alether is also not the easiest of tasks. The shield, weaponmastery, and the sommerswerd, no problem, everyone who's played through will have those. However, completing the two lore circles that give you the biggest CS boosts, again, not a sure thing. Finally, not everyone automatically gives themself a 19 for CS. I'm only saying this because I just recently played through that part and it was basically impossible. I had a character w/ a 14 CS that I rolled fairly. I also had: +8 sommerswerd +3 weaponmastery sword +2 shield +1 fire +3 spirit That comes out to a measly 31 CS, which is nowhere near strong even to have a prayer against Kimah. This was a character that I'd played completely honestly through the first eight books. Any average player who didn't know that the battle was coming would be in relatively similar straits. It makes me feel like I need to go back to the beginning and play through again, because my current character won't have the resources to win similar fights in the future. This belies the statement that any Kai Lord can win, no matter his CS and EP. Anyway, hope that doesn't sound too venomous, but I just wanted to make it clear that you preparations were indeed out of the ordinary.
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Post by longhairyuppiescum on Nov 10, 2005 14:55:00 GMT
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Post by Dusk Fox on Nov 10, 2005 14:59:41 GMT
Anyway, hope that doesn't sound too venomous, but I just wanted to make it clear that you preparations were indeed out of the ordinary. You hope in vain. That was pretty vituperative. Still, as the Cheatingest Cheater in Magnamund, it's not like I play by the same rules standard as the rest of you.
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Post by Wolfus on Nov 10, 2005 17:57:30 GMT
If you have weaponmastery in sword, doesn't it mean that you have Sommerswerd +11 and additionaly +3 for second (normal) sword?
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Post by longhairyuppiescum on Nov 10, 2005 18:19:05 GMT
No, because there are no rules for using two weapons at the same time... If you go by the written word and not by any house rules it just says something like 'if you enter combat with the weapon equipped you're skilled with add x to your CS.' Nothing like '... for each weapon you hold in your hands you are skilled with add x to your CS' or something.. IIRC So I suspect only one weapon is usable at any time to its full effect.
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