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Post by grimrod on Nov 11, 2005 8:40:34 GMT
Thanks a lot for the welcome and the link; it was a very enlightening read! Ha but I'm still gonna start over I think. I definitely missed a lot of items that I remember having in previous runs.
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Post by longhairyuppiescum on Nov 11, 2005 12:51:07 GMT
That's the spirit - Go on, grimrod! But to be honest, if you really want a fair chance in completing the Kai/Magnakai books, you'll probably need a CS above average and knowledge of the items.
Besides, starting over isn't bad at all, IMO. - I always start over if LW dies!
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Post by Zipp on Nov 11, 2005 20:34:09 GMT
That's the spirit - Go on, grimrod! But to be honest, if you really want a fair chance in completing the Kai/Magnakai books, you'll probably need a CS above average and knowledge of the items. Besides, starting over isn't bad at all, IMO. - I always start over if LW dies! You're crazy. You're not alone, but you're crazy.
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Post by grimrod on Nov 11, 2005 21:02:19 GMT
That's the spirit - Go on, grimrod! But to be honest, if you really want a fair chance in completing the Kai/Magnakai books, you'll probably need a CS above average and knowledge of the items. Besides, starting over isn't bad at all, IMO. - I always start over if LW dies! This last time through I was brutal to myself as far as following the rules. I took my only two rolls for CS and EP, and I never backtracked to find stuff I'd missed. Another thing, I always snagged the Silver Bow of Duadon, and this time I let it go. Stupid stupid! I also missed that whole bag of goodies in the Caverns of Kalte with all the cool potions. Yep, a restart is definitely in order.
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Post by Zipp on Nov 11, 2005 22:35:59 GMT
That's the spirit - Go on, grimrod! But to be honest, if you really want a fair chance in completing the Kai/Magnakai books, you'll probably need a CS above average and knowledge of the items. Besides, starting over isn't bad at all, IMO. - I always start over if LW dies! This last time through I was brutal to myself as far as following the rules. I took my only two rolls for CS and EP, and I never backtracked to find stuff I'd missed. Another thing, I always snagged the Silver Bow of Duadon, and this time I let it go. Stupid stupid! I also missed that whole bag of goodies in the Caverns of Kalte with all the cool potions. Yep, a restart is definitely in order. Not neccesarily. I didn't go for the Bow of Duadon this time, either. You really don't need it, and in terms of character, I always thought it was more in character for Lone Wolf NOT to go to the archery tournament.
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Post by grimrod on Nov 12, 2005 9:07:39 GMT
This last time through I was brutal to myself as far as following the rules. I took my only two rolls for CS and EP, and I never backtracked to find stuff I'd missed. Another thing, I always snagged the Silver Bow of Duadon, and this time I let it go. Stupid stupid! I also missed that whole bag of goodies in the Caverns of Kalte with all the cool potions. Yep, a restart is definitely in order. Not neccesarily. I didn't go for the Bow of Duadon this time, either. You really don't need it, and in terms of character, I always thought it was more in character for Lone Wolf NOT to go to the archery tournament. Why do you say that? I was all about the bow from the beginning of the Magnakai series, the first time I played it. There are just too many opportunities to do coool things with it over and over. Guess everyone just has their own angle on it. My Lone Wolf is a bow fanatic.
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Post by Zipp on Nov 12, 2005 18:37:43 GMT
Not neccesarily. I didn't go for the Bow of Duadon this time, either. You really don't need it, and in terms of character, I always thought it was more in character for Lone Wolf NOT to go to the archery tournament. Why do you say that? I was all about the bow from the beginning of the Magnakai series, the first time I played it. There are just too many opportunities to do coool things with it over and over. Guess everyone just has their own angle on it. My Lone Wolf is a bow fanatic. Though in a new book I rarely passed up the opportunity to explore, after I'd played a book a number of times, I tried to do things differently from normal. Thus, missing the bow. But then, I did envision "the real" Lone Wolf (AKA, not myself) as a quiet individual who focused almost entirely on his quest. Thus, when presented with the opportunity to enter an archery contest, his mind would think a few things: 1. Time waster, a deviation from the quest of the Lorestone 2. Possibility of being recognized 3. Showing off my skills is technically against my teachings Think about it. When you want something really really badly, and are on your way to get it, do you let yourself be distracted by other things? I sure try not to. And Lone Wolf really really wants that Lorestone. Of course, it doesn't matter, since technically we are ALL Lone Wolf. Collectively. And there's some great philosophy lessons to be got there.
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Post by Zipp on Nov 12, 2005 22:29:40 GMT
Okay, finally reached Kimah for the first time today, and...
... died fast. With a CS of -12 using the Sommerswerd and Alether, shield and helmet.
Does it make sense that he has CS 44 when using the Sommerswerd? It's almost like Joe was saying that the Sommerswerd can't pentrate the barrier set by the orb of death, at least not very well. I sort've cheated in the end, assuming that the Sommerswerd COULD penetrate this defensive barrier, and giving Kimah a CS of 34, leaving me with a much better score of +2 (and that's with Alether).
It seems like Joe wanted the Sommerswerd to not work as well against Kimah as the Dagger of Vashna or the Ring. Which is fine, except you should have the option of using one of the others instead of the Sommerswerd. I know that in the books I often don't use the Sommerswerd but will use a warhammer (weaponskill) instead, simulating that the Sommerswerd is really only for special occasions.
In any case, this one will go through an overhaul when I get to doing it for the boss sections sometime in the next two years.
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Post by grimrod on Nov 12, 2005 22:45:42 GMT
Why do you say that? I was all about the bow from the beginning of the Magnakai series, the first time I played it. There are just too many opportunities to do coool things with it over and over. Guess everyone just has their own angle on it. My Lone Wolf is a bow fanatic. Though in a new book I rarely passed up the opportunity to explore, after I'd played a book a number of times, I tried to do things differently from normal. Thus, missing the bow. But then, I did envision "the real" Lone Wolf (AKA, not myself) as a quiet individual who focused almost entirely on his quest. Thus, when presented with the opportunity to enter an archery contest, his mind would think a few things: 1. Time waster, a deviation from the quest of the Lorestone 2. Possibility of being recognized 3. Showing off my skills is technically against my teachings Think about it. When you want something really really badly, and are on your way to get it, do you let yourself be distracted by other things? I sure try not to. And Lone Wolf really really wants that Lorestone. Of course, it doesn't matter, since technically we are ALL Lone Wolf. Collectively. And there's some great philosophy lessons to be got there. Ah, point well taken. My idea of Lone Wolf is an extremely curious individual, always digging into anything that catches his attention. You never know where information about your question might come from, is my philosophy. It makes me think of earlier today, going through the Caverns of Kalte (yeah I finally started over haha), and how there are so many chambers along the way. I would never pass up the opportunity to find something that might help me achieve my goal. Also, sometimes you find things that end up saving your life, and it's hard to complete a quest when you're dead. Something that's funny, is looking back, I've found that many times, in my first runs of these books, all those years ago, I made a lot of pretty good decicions, and when I've gone back and tried to play alternate paths, I've met a lot of sticky ends I never knew about.
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Post by Zipp on Nov 12, 2005 23:34:09 GMT
Though in a new book I rarely passed up the opportunity to explore, after I'd played a book a number of times, I tried to do things differently from normal. Thus, missing the bow. But then, I did envision "the real" Lone Wolf (AKA, not myself) as a quiet individual who focused almost entirely on his quest. Thus, when presented with the opportunity to enter an archery contest, his mind would think a few things: 1. Time waster, a deviation from the quest of the Lorestone 2. Possibility of being recognized 3. Showing off my skills is technically against my teachings Think about it. When you want something really really badly, and are on your way to get it, do you let yourself be distracted by other things? I sure try not to. And Lone Wolf really really wants that Lorestone. Of course, it doesn't matter, since technically we are ALL Lone Wolf. Collectively. And there's some great philosophy lessons to be got there. Ah, point well taken. My idea of Lone Wolf is an extremely curious individual, always digging into anything that catches his attention. You never know where information about your question might come from, is my philosophy. It makes me think of earlier today, going through the Caverns of Kalte (yeah I finally started over haha), and how there are so many chambers along the way. I would never pass up the opportunity to find something that might help me achieve my goal. Also, sometimes you find things that end up saving your life, and it's hard to complete a quest when you're dead. Something that's funny, is looking back, I've found that many times, in my first runs of these books, all those years ago, I made a lot of pretty good decicions, and when I've gone back and tried to play alternate paths, I've met a lot of sticky ends I never knew about. Well, some of the earlier books didn't have as many deviations as there are in the later books. Fire on the Water and Caverns of Kalte in particular are pretty linear.
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Post by outspaced on Nov 13, 2005 10:00:59 GMT
Fire on the Water is definitely linear, though I'm not sure I would say The caverns of Kalte is. Looking at the flowchart for that book, there are multiple parallel pathways through most of the book.
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Post by caeleg on Nov 14, 2005 3:15:08 GMT
Okay, finally reached Kimah for the first time today, and... ... died fast. With a CS of -12 using the Sommerswerd and Alether, shield and helmet. Does it make sense that he has CS 44 when using the Sommerswerd? It's almost like Joe was saying that the Sommerswerd can't pentrate the barrier set by the orb of death, at least not very well. I sort've cheated in the end, assuming that the Sommerswerd COULD penetrate this defensive barrier, and giving Kimah a CS of 34, leaving me with a much better score of +2 (and that's with Alether). It seems like Joe wanted the Sommerswerd to not work as well against Kimah as the Dagger of Vashna or the Ring. Which is fine, except you should have the option of using one of the others instead of the Sommerswerd. I know that in the books I often don't use the Sommerswerd but will use a warhammer (weaponskill) instead, simulating that the Sommerswerd is really only for special occasions. In any case, this one will go through an overhaul when I get to doing it for the boss sections sometime in the next two years. I'm not sure if anyone has posted this here before, regarding the fight aginst the Zakhan: Loose the Sommerswerd - not by leaving it in safe keeping but during the quest itself when the Tahou guards impound your items (just declare to the guards that you want to enter the cauldron). I found this out, quite by accident, a couple of days ago while playing book 9. This way, it doesn't feel like cheating (not to me anyway ) While you'll get back almost all your stuff when you escape, the book specifically says that you do not find any of your weapon-like special items. In the battle against the zakhan, since you no longer have the Sommerswerd nor the Dagger of Vashna, the psychic ring is your only choice. The ring makes him vulnerable against both mindblast and psi-surge (the book text does not state that he is immune to mindblast or psi-surge if using the ring. If one uses the Dagger of Vashna and Sommerswerd, he is immune to mind attacks). My base CS was 16 - just slightly above average +4 bonus from Circle of Fire and Spirit +3 bonus from Weaponmastery +4 bonus from shield and silver helm +4 bonus from psi-surge +2 bonus from alether = CS of 33 -- a -1 ratio....quite a fair fight despite having need to loose 2 EPs/round. If you must need a positive ratio, there's always Adagna drug or that concentrated alether from book 3 ;D Don't worry bout the Sommerswerd, you'll get it back at the end of the book -- the Project Aon version anyway... PS. Hi to everyone, this is my 1st post! Nice meeting all of you.
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Post by Black Cat on Nov 14, 2005 4:46:06 GMT
Yes, I'm one of those that mention this a few times, although it is someone else that got this intelligent idea of "losing" the Sommerswerd during the quest. But, eh, it cannot hurt to repeat it to other people that might still don't know that. BTW, welcome to PA.
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Post by longhairyuppiescum on Nov 14, 2005 14:03:36 GMT
You're crazy. You're not alone, but you're crazy. ;D ... It seems like Joe wanted the Sommerswerd to not work as well against Kimah as the Dagger of Vashna or the Ring. Which is fine, except you should have the option of using one of the others instead of the Sommerswerd. ... Exactly my opinion! Lately I wondered if the Sommerswerd is cursed in some way. - It just seems to reduce LW's intelligence to a minimum. LW (without SW): 'Wow, that damn orb produces a powerful forceshield! - What can I do against this? - OK, I have to figure something out.. maybe I can penetrate it with a throwing weapon or maybe this psycho ring comes in handy.. - just have to find out how to use it... !' LW (with SW): 'Kill Zakhan I will! I'm strong warrior! - I 'ave mighty sword!'
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Post by Dusk Fox on Nov 14, 2005 15:03:25 GMT
I think the problem is that the Sommerswerd is so powerful that it makes everything around it deadlier, so enemies who would be more easily defeated without the Sommerswerd are buoyed by its blatantly ridiculous power level and thus become supervillains.
Lone Wolf, on the other hand, just likes the way it glows.
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